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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:08 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:I don't know if it belongs here or the TV thread, but Hulu just released a feature-length documentary called Too Funny to Fail that's all about the disaster that was the Dana Carvey Show. It always blows my mind the murder's row of talent they had working on it and how spectacularly and quickly the whole thing blew up. If you just told me now out of the blue a sketch comedy show was coming out with these people working on it:

Dana Carvey
Steve Carell
Stephen Colbert
Robert Smigel
Louis C.K
Charlie Kaufman
Jon Glaser
Dino Stamatopoulos
Spike Feresten
Robert Carlock
Greg Daniels

...I'd assume it was going to be the biggest horsefeathering thing on TV.


I've never seen the show, but I listened to the Carvey WTF somewhat recently. This was just a terrible network/timeslot match, right?


Pretty much; being on right after Home Improvement and premiering literally weeks after Disney bought ABC basically doomed it from the get-go, though, honestly, given the big primetime wars between the networks at the time and the types of shows that were thriving in those timeslots, it likely would have run into similar issues on NBC and CBS, too. Maybe it could have survived on Fox, but, bottom line, this shouldn't have been on in primetime.

The big missed opportunity is that HBO had wanted the show and Carvey was talked out of signing with them.
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Postby Banedon » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:35 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/MrTimothyClark/status/920070993221074945


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Postby David » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:08 pm

finally saw baby driver over the weekend. that was a lot of fun.
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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby OleMissCub » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:35 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Pretty much; being on right after Home Improvement and premiering literally weeks after Disney bought ABC basically doomed it from the get-go, though, honestly, given the big primetime wars between the networks at the time and the types of shows that were thriving in those timeslots, it likely would have run into similar issues on NBC and CBS, too. Maybe it could have survived on Fox, but, bottom line, this shouldn't have been on in primetime.

The big missed opportunity is that HBO had wanted the show and Carvey was talked out of signing with them.


That show could have been an all-time great if it were on HBO.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:17 pm

this clip always stuck with me
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Postby David » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:25 pm

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:this clip always stuck with me


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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:36 pm

I remember thinking Strangers with Candy was doomed as soon as I recognized Colbert as the guy from The Dana Carvey Show and Exit 57.
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Postby OleMissCub » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:46 pm

Pretty cool that the "Gerald Ford, dead today..." and "The Ambiguously Gay Duo" both came from that show.

After watching the documentary I went back and watched all the episodes. It only takes a couple of hours. There was some terrific stuff in there. Like I said, if that group of writers could have been on HBO and been allowed to go dirty, it would have been enormously popular.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:14 am

Though I wonder if it had gone to HBO then does that mean no Mr. Show? They would kinda have made each other redundant (we would have loved both, but I can see the network thinking, "why do we basically have two versions of the same show?"), and Mr. Show only premiered a few months before, so maybe that's basically what they went with when they couldn't get Carvey's show.
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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby CubinNY » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:39 am

I watched Baby Driver last night. The movie was great until Jamie Fox showed up. Then it got progressively worse. Overall, I enjoyed it but it could have been so much better with a little more work on rounding out the story.
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Postby Banedon » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:13 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Marvel really doesn't even pretend to try with their villains, do they?* Purple Black Panther suit vs Gold Black Panther suit!

*Keaton's Vulture was strong


Just saw this comment.

A ton movies first movie starts with some kind twisted versions of themselves...with the idea that it shows it's the man, not the powers that makes them "super". The problem in many of them is that the villain is underdeveloped, which is understandable given that the audience is more interested in the protagonist-hero.

Superman vs Zod (Kryptonian vs Evil Kryptonian)
Batman vs Ra's Al Ghul (Student vs Evil Teacher)
Captain America vs Red Skull (Super Soldier vs Evil Super Soldier) or Winter Soldier (Super Soldier vs Brainwashed Super Soldier)
Iron Man vs Iron Monger (Guy in high tech suit vs bigger evil guy in high tech suit)
Thor vs Loki (God vs Evil God)
Doctor Strange vs whoever that guy was(Wizard vs Evil Wizard)
Ant Man vs Yellow Jacket (Size changer vs evil size changer)
Hulk vs Abomination (Good Monster vs Evil Monster)

The main superhero exceptions I can think to this are Spider-Man and Wonder Woman. But it's not even necessarily superheroes. Luke vs Vader, Gandalf vs Saruman... But my point is that it's very, very common, and not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:29 pm

It's rare when you get a "good" villain in these films because of the nature of the medium they are based on; the villains are basically supposed to be serviceable filler for a perpetually ongoing series. There's an unavoidable, inherent difference to how you would develop a villain character for an action film and one for use in a comic series. That's why you usually get people with the same two complaints about villains in comic book films: either the villain isn't developed/well-rounded enough, or the villain is SO developed that they think the focus has been shifted from the hero TO the villain. Bottom line, the villain is usually little more than a walking, talking MacGuffin that lets us see the hero or heroes do cool horsefeathers; to complain about there not being real "stakes" in a comic book film is kinda missing the point in the first place. These things are mostly about spectacle.
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Postby 17 Seconds » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:35 am

CubinNY wrote:I watched Baby Driver last night. The movie was great until Jamie Fox showed up. Then it got progressively worse. Overall, I enjoyed it but it could have been so much better with a little more work on rounding out the story.


i love edgar wright but honestly i thought this movie was pretty dumb and unlikable.
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Postby The Logan » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:54 pm

17 Seconds wrote:
CubinNY wrote:I watched Baby Driver last night. The movie was great until Jamie Fox showed up. Then it got progressively worse. Overall, I enjoyed it but it could have been so much better with a little more work on rounding out the story.


i love edgar wright but honestly i thought this movie was pretty dumb and unlikable.


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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby OleMissCub » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:16 pm

Holy smokes that new Ben-Hur is god awful.

The naval battle was pretty cool looking though.

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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:19 pm

Why would someone even watch this movie in October of 2017.
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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby OleMissCub » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:43 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Why would someone even watch this movie in October of 2017.


I'll watch just about anything with swords and sandals. It's a disease. It was on Amazon Prime.

It was really, really bad. The guy playing Ben-Hur played Richard Harrow in Boardwalk and was actually pretty good in the role. However, the writing, editing, and pace are just dreadful. It also had a bunch of Jesus stuff at the end which felt really out of place and was awfully cringe-worthy.
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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:50 pm

OleMissCub wrote:It also had a bunch of Jesus stuff at the end which felt really out of place and was awfully cringe-worthy.


Uh, like it was just handled poorly? Because the Jesus stuff is in all of the other versions.
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Postby OleMissCub » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:50 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:
OleMissCub wrote:It also had a bunch of Jesus stuff at the end which felt really out of place and was awfully cringe-worthy.


Uh, like it was just handled poorly? Because the Jesus stuff is in all of the other versions.


I realize that. I think the sub-title of the book is "A Story of the Christ" or something like that.

There was just something off about the editing of it within the film. I think it was just executed poorly and it didn't feel earned. It was like "oh, you've sat through two hours of a movie, well guess what, here's the Crucifixion of Christ and Judah crying and having a literal 'come to Jesus' moment." The editing made it feel very jarring to go, with very little lead up, straight from the main plot into what is essentially The Passion of the Christ.
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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby Sammy Sofa » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:52 am

I guess you weren't saying, "BOOOOOO-URNS."
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Postby OleMissCub » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:40 am

Sammy Sofa wrote:I guess you weren't saying, "BOOOOOO-URNS."


I don’t get it
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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby Sammy Sofa » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:50 am



Stop watching obvious garbage, dammit, and watch this instead!
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Postby Banedon » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:22 pm

Zachary Levi cast as Shazam.
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Re: Movie Thread 2: The Sequel

Postby Banedon » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:36 pm

That news comes courtesy of this weekend’s LA Comic Con event, where Quantum Leap’s creator, Donald Bellisario, reunited with Scott Bakula during a panel discussion that inevitably turned to reboots.

“I just finished writing a Quantum Leap feature,” Bellisario announced. “I don’t know what’s going to happen with it, but I did write it.”


https://io9.gizmodo.com/creator-donald- ... 1819951547

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