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Postby CubInOK » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:11 pm

Ban LCCF, Tim. He just apologized for an anti-Semite.
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Postby Tim » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:17 pm

CubInOK wrote:Ban LCCF, Tim. He just apologized for an anti-Semite.

I read it as saying that "Trump isn't to blame here" instead of apologizing for the shooter. Still not a great look, but not as bad as the other interpretation.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:52 pm

How New York Times of you, Timbo.
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Postby Tim » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:03 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:How New York Times of you, Timbo.

Yes, clearly I'm awful.
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A month after he had ordered his trolls to attack me, white supremacist Andrew Anglin told the HuffPost what he thought of Trump’s refusal to denounce them. “We interpret that as an endorsement,” he said. To his readers, he wrote, “Glorious Leader Donald Trump Refuses to Denounce Stormer Troll Army.” When President Trump blamed “both sides” for Charlottesville, his supporters heard him loud and clear: “I knew Trump was eventually going to be like, meh, whatever,” Anglin said. “Trump only disavowed us at the point of a Jewish weapon. So I’m not disavowing him.” Many others in the alt-right praised Trump’s statement as moral equivocation on Charlottesville. To them, this, rather than the forced, obligatory condemnation, was the important signal.

When Trump called himself a nationalist in Houston last week, the alt-right knew exactly what he meant. One alt-right commenter was elated because nationalism “is inherently connected to race.” Another wrote that he was “literally shaking” with glee. Still another wrote “THE FIRE RISES.”
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Postby Derwood » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:02 pm

Thoughts from my Jewish immigrant friend:


For every single one of us, no exaggeration or exception, and especially those of us born in Europe, attacks like these are not singular events. They’re part of a long pattern going back as far as our family stories go. In Russia, in Germany, in Poland, etc. Jews were frequently attacked, beaten, and killed by the local population, with the local government at least permitting, if not actively supporting. We were Other, at best tolerated misfits and at worst despised Christ-killing international-finance-controlling subhuman vermin. Where we survived, we only survived because the local population let us survive. The Holocaust happened not just because the Nazis actively pursued industrial-scale extermination but also because the local population - the vast majority of whom weren’t Nazis per se - let it happen.

America was, has always been, and (still) is different. In America, there are no Germans or Russians or Poles or English or French or Irish or Bangladeshi or Spanish or African or whatever. There are only Americans, who ethnically can be anything whatsoever and still get to be Americans, equal under the law to all other Americans. At least that’s the ideal. The struggle for civil rights and gender rights and LGBTQ rights are all struggles to make the ideal a reality for everyone. It’s all the same struggle to make the “universal” in “universal human rights” true. The current administration’s position with respect to this struggle is another conversation.

So this attack. This was the worst attack on Jews as Jews in American history. It was - let’s just use the right word - a pogrom. This wasn’t just an attack on one synagogue. That Nazi horsefeathers wanted to kill all of us, everywhere, as people like him do.

So this is what's going through our heads. Gentiles, your Jewish friends need explicit, definite reassurance that you are with them and that they are not Other. They need to know that you perceive this as an attack on Americans just like you who happen to be Jewish, and not just the latest pogrom like all the other pogroms.
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Postby rawaction » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:27 pm

Derwood wrote:Thoughts from my Jewish immigrant friend:


For every single one of us, no exaggeration or exception, and especially those of us born in Europe, attacks like these are not singular events. They’re part of a long pattern going back as far as our family stories go. In Russia, in Germany, in Poland, etc. Jews were frequently attacked, beaten, and killed by the local population, with the local government at least permitting, if not actively supporting. We were Other, at best tolerated misfits and at worst despised Christ-killing international-finance-controlling subhuman vermin. Where we survived, we only survived because the local population let us survive. The Holocaust happened not just because the Nazis actively pursued industrial-scale extermination but also because the local population - the vast majority of whom weren’t Nazis per se - let it happen.

America was, has always been, and (still) is different. In America, there are no Germans or Russians or Poles or English or French or Irish or Bangladeshi or Spanish or African or whatever. There are only Americans, who ethnically can be anything whatsoever and still get to be Americans, equal under the law to all other Americans. At least that’s the ideal. The struggle for civil rights and gender rights and LGBTQ rights are all struggles to make the ideal a reality for everyone. It’s all the same struggle to make the “universal” in “universal human rights” true. The current administration’s position with respect to this struggle is another conversation.

So this attack. This was the worst attack on Jews as Jews in American history. It was - let’s just use the right word - a pogrom. This wasn’t just an attack on one synagogue. That Nazi horsefeathers wanted to kill all of us, everywhere, as people like him do.

So this is what's going through our heads. Gentiles, your Jewish friends need explicit, definite reassurance that you are with them and that they are not Other. They need to know that you perceive this as an attack on Americans just like you who happen to be Jewish, and not just the latest pogrom like all the other pogroms.


Could say all of this word for word, but put "blacks" instead of "Jews". After Emanuel AME, the "Other" still elected Trump. Unfortunately, this horsefeathers isn't going to change. Too many people simply don't give a horsefeathers.
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Postby CubinNY » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:47 am

Another child was killed in Alabama close to my town. She found a loaded gun laying around. Here in Alabama, they arrest women when their babies test positive for trace amounts of drugs, but parents of kids who kill themselves or one of their friends while playing with guns get thoughts and prayers.
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Postby Banedon » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:31 pm

Grandparents in Arizona have custody of 11yo boy. Grandma has a discussion with him about cleaning his room. He comes back with grandpa's gun and shoots her in the head while the grandparents are watching tv. Then he runs off and shoots himself.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/us/arizo ... index.html
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:45 pm

Banedon wrote:Grandparents in Arizona have custody of 11yo boy. Grandma has a discussion with him about cleaning his room. He comes back with grandpa's gun and shoots her in the head while the grandparents are watching tv. Then he runs off and shoots himself.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/us/arizo ... index.html

It sounds like there might have been issues going on.
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Postby Banedon » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:07 pm

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
Banedon wrote:Grandparents in Arizona have custody of 11yo boy. Grandma has a discussion with him about cleaning his room. He comes back with grandpa's gun and shoots her in the head while the grandparents are watching tv. Then he runs off and shoots himself.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/us/arizo ... index.html

It sounds like there might have been issues going on.


Issues like keeping an unlocked loaded gun accessible to an 11yo?
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JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
Banedon wrote:Grandparents in Arizona have custody of 11yo boy. Grandma has a discussion with him about cleaning his room. He comes back with grandpa's gun and shoots her in the head while the grandparents are watching tv. Then he runs off and shoots himself.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/05/us/arizo ... index.html

It sounds like there might have been issues going on.

Yes, it does sound like a family where a grandchild shot a grandmother and then himself had some issues.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:14 pm

I tend to be glib when I read something and feel sad. I'm just saying this isn't one of those situations where having a gun around ruined everything. I'm saying everything was ruined, which is why a loaded gun was lying around.
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Postby Banedon » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:16 pm

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I tend to be glib when I read something and feel sad. I'm just saying this isn't one of those situations where having a gun around ruined everything. I'm saying everything was ruined, which is why a loaded gun was lying around.


That's a really weird take.

Having a gun around killed 2 people. I'd say that ruined everything.

Anything prior to that was fixable.
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JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I tend to be glib when I read something and feel sad. I'm just saying this isn't one of those situations where having a gun around ruined everything. I'm saying everything was ruined, which is why a loaded gun was lying around.

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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:35 pm

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JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I tend to be glib when I read something and feel sad. I'm just saying this isn't one of those situations where having a gun around ruined everything. I'm saying everything was ruined, which is why a loaded gun was lying around.

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If you don't want to get what I am saying that's fine.
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JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I tend to be glib when I read something and feel sad. I'm just saying this isn't one of those situations where having a gun around ruined everything. I'm saying everything was ruined, which is why a loaded gun was lying around.

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If you don't want to get what I am saying that's fine.

I'm a firm believe that there are no good gun owners.

If you willingly bring a gun into your house you are willingly increasing the odds that somebody in your family will be shot. So after a couple rereads I think I know what you are saying. But it was quite confusing at first.
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JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:Image

If you don't want to get what I am saying that's fine.

I'm a firm believe that there are no good gun owners.

If you willingly bring a gun into your house you are willingly increasing the odds that somebody in your family will be shot. So after a couple rereads I think I know what you are saying. But it was quite confusing at first.

Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. I've never held a loaded gun in my life and have no intention of changing that. I do think there are responsible gun owners, but I also think most of them are just scared and weak.
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Postby Banedon » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:12 pm

Someone shot up a country/line dancing bar in Thousand Oaks, California. 13 dead, including the shooter and the first officer to respond.
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Postby Old Style » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:38 pm

Cue the "we need more gun control" vs "we need MORE guns" debate that always gets us nowhere.
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Old Style wrote:Cue the "we need more gun control" vs "we need MORE guns" debate that always gets us nowhere.

it's the we need more guns people who get us nowhere
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jersey cubs fan wrote:
Old Style wrote:Cue the "we need more gun control" vs "we need MORE guns" debate that always gets us nowhere.

it's the we need more guns people who get us nowhere

I'm not even taking sides in the matter but it's insanity to keep doing the same thing over & over and expect anything to change.
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