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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:49 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:It's OK; it is indeed a love letter to a show that was mediocre (or worse) more often than not. It's a pleasant enough watch, but I can't see how it could possibly actually start pulling off good to great TNG unless it does a pretty dramatic about face (and ditches MacFarlane; bottom line, the guy's range is WAY too limited for the role he's given himself).


Well you know that won’t happen since it’s essentially his Star Trek fan fiction


Right, so I don't see it having a ceiling higher than the TV equivalent of a pleasant bowl of soup. I think the hype it gets as time as being "real ST" is hinged mostly on how much it reminds people of the nostalgia they have for middling episodes of TNG, which is ultimately a pretty low bar to hurdle. It's fine! But I don't see, unfortunately, how it can really become much more than what it is right now.

I also think it's overstated by some fans how "real ST" is something less intense than Discovery (which I also think is just OK); TNG didn't become any good until Roddenberry stepped back and they were able to ditch his "in the future nobody has any conflict" BS. DS9 went from being a totally forgettable spinoff to great sci-fi series once they embraced depicting what a war in that universe would be like. Discovery's problems aren't, IMO, that it's "too dark" so much as it just hasn't found its footing yet with the characters and the stories they want to tell, and, especially, that they needlessly shoehorned in as a prequel.
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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby OleMissCub » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:43 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
OleMissCub wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:It's OK; it is indeed a love letter to a show that was mediocre (or worse) more often than not. It's a pleasant enough watch, but I can't see how it could possibly actually start pulling off good to great TNG unless it does a pretty dramatic about face (and ditches MacFarlane; bottom line, the guy's range is WAY too limited for the role he's given himself).


Well you know that won’t happen since it’s essentially his Star Trek fan fiction


Right, so I don't see it having a ceiling higher than the TV equivalent of a pleasant bowl of soup. I think the hype it gets as time as being "real ST" is hinged mostly on how much it reminds people of the nostalgia they have for middling episodes of TNG, which is ultimately a pretty low bar to hurdle. It's fine! But I don't see, unfortunately, how it can really become much more than what it is right now.

I also think it's overstated by some fans how "real ST" is something less intense than Discovery (which I also think is just OK); TNG didn't become any good until Roddenberry stepped back and they were able to ditch his "in the future nobody has any conflict" BS. DS9 went from being a totally forgettable spinoff to great sci-fi series once they embraced depicting what a war in that universe would be like. Discovery's problems aren't, IMO, that it's "too dark" so much as it just hasn't found its footing yet with the characters and the stories they want to tell, and, especially, that they needlessly shoehorned in as a prequel.


Discovery has potential, certainly. As you said, every Trek show requires time to find it's footing. DS9 certainly found it's better than any other show. The last few seasons of DS9 are the best of Trek TV, in my opinion.

Ironically, what many people consider the worst Trek TV, Enterprise, might have the best single season of any Trek show. The final season of ENT just absolutely slays. It's total fan service, but the show finally gave what most people were wanting in a, ya know, prequel. In the span of a single season they show were Khan and his augments came from, Data's origins, they fix the canon inconsistency with the Klingons, they show Vulcans becoming truly emotionless robots, and they show the creation of the Federation. Plus the "In a Mirror, Darkly" mirror universe episode ranks among the all-time great Trek episodes. One just has to make sure not to watch that final episode...ever.

As you alluded to, Discovery has no reason to be a prequel. The final season of ENT answered most of the questions and cleaned up the canon inconsistencies. Discovery would be better served by being 50 years past Voyager or whatever. Having it be 10 years before TOS is just goofy and unnecessary.
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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby OleMissCub » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:17 am

I'm gonna dork out. My dream crew:

Captain - Picard
1st Officer - Spock
Security - Odo
Science - Data
Helmsman - Paris
Engineer - Trip
Doctor - The Doctor
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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby javy knows my name » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:22 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
OleMissCub wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:It's OK; it is indeed a love letter to a show that was mediocre (or worse) more often than not. It's a pleasant enough watch, but I can't see how it could possibly actually start pulling off good to great TNG unless it does a pretty dramatic about face (and ditches MacFarlane; bottom line, the guy's range is WAY too limited for the role he's given himself).


Well you know that won’t happen since it’s essentially his Star Trek fan fiction


Right, so I don't see it having a ceiling higher than the TV equivalent of a pleasant bowl of soup.


This is delightfully weird
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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:25 pm

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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby OleMissCub » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:13 pm

javy knows my name wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
OleMissCub wrote:
Well you know that won’t happen since it’s essentially his Star Trek fan fiction


Right, so I don't see it having a ceiling higher than the TV equivalent of a pleasant bowl of soup.


This is delightfully weird


It’s an accurate statement indeed. Sometimes a hot bowl of tomato soup with some crackers is all I need to satisfy me. The Orville is the epitome of satisfying. I have a very similar feeling toward that time travel show Timeless.
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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby Banedon » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:06 pm

Sooooo....there might be 5 new Star Trek TV projects in the works, including one with Patrick Stewart coming back as Picard???

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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:17 pm

Banedon wrote:Sooooo....there might be 5 new Star Trek TV projects in the works


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, including one with Patrick Stewart coming back as Picard???


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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby Banedon » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:14 pm

The expansion of CBS All Access’ Star Trek universe continues with a two-season order to Star Trek: Lower Decks, a half-hour adult animated comedy series from Rick and Morty head writer and executive producer Mike McMahan, a long-time Star Trek fan. Star Trek: Lower Decks, which will focus on the support crew serving on one of Starfleet’s least important ships, marks CBS All Access’ first original animated series and the first project to be produced by CBS Eye Animation Productions, a newly launched animation arm of CBS Television Studios.


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Re: Star Trek thread

Postby Banedon » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:46 pm

Per The Wrap, Nevins told reporters today that Star Trek: Discovery will be back as expected at the start of the year, while “Picard will start at the end of the year.”
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