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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby bukie » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:21 pm

David wrote:what is hyperbole

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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:21 pm

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UMFan83 wrote:https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1060164390169628672?s=21

Sucks, I know some people wanted him



I'm not sure I really wanted him unless he was cheap. He does have some mileage and our DE's are pretty solid as is. If anything, I really want a new kicker.


it sucks that he missed that kick in Miami but i don't really see how Parkey has been a big problem

he's 13/16... 5/7 from 40-49 and 1/2 from 50+ (28/28 on xp also)


I just dont see him as the future. Love to be wrong
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:26 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
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I'm not sure I really wanted him unless he was cheap. He does have some mileage and our DE's are pretty solid as is. If anything, I really want a new kicker.


it sucks that he missed that kick in Miami but i don't really see how Parkey has been a big problem

he's 13/16... 5/7 from 40-49 and 1/2 from 50+ (28/28 on xp also)


I just dont see him as the future. Love to be wrong


I mean yes you'd like to have a solid stable kicker like we had with Gould for the previous decade but among concerns for the Bears, having a kicker of the future is pretty low.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:29 pm

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it sucks that he missed that kick in Miami but i don't really see how Parkey has been a big problem

he's 13/16... 5/7 from 40-49 and 1/2 from 50+ (28/28 on xp also)


I just dont see him as the future. Love to be wrong


I mean yes you'd like to have a solid stable kicker like we had with Gould for the previous decade but among concerns for the Bears, having a kicker of the future is pretty low.


plus he's 26...so even if having a kicker of the future were a thing, as long as he stays relatively competent, like he has been, he probably will be here for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:31 pm

yea, but, he hasn't been relatively competent which is why he's with his 4th team since 2014
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:37 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:yea, but, he hasn't been relatively competent which is why he's with his 4th team since 2014


he hit 89% of his kicks his first year, 32/36 (made pro-bowl, for whatever that is worth), looks like he got hurt and went on IR in 2015, made 80% in 2016, and 91% in 2017...how's that not relatively competent?
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:21 pm

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minnesotacubsfan wrote:yea, but, he hasn't been relatively competent which is why he's with his 4th team since 2014


he hit 89% of his kicks his first year, 32/36 (made pro-bowl, for whatever that is worth), looks like he got hurt and went on IR in 2015, made 80% in 2016, and 91% in 2017...how's that not relatively competent?


I'll concede the age argument, being only 26 and having time on his side to improve, but he hasn't had a lot of kicking experience and he's bounced around a good bit. that makes me question his competency a lot despite hitting 89% of 23 fg's or so in the last few years. Thats not a lot of attempts. And, he's struggled over 40 yards a good bit
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:27 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
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minnesotacubsfan wrote:yea, but, he hasn't been relatively competent which is why he's with his 4th team since 2014


he hit 89% of his kicks his first year, 32/36 (made pro-bowl, for whatever that is worth), looks like he got hurt and went on IR in 2015, made 80% in 2016, and 91% in 2017...how's that not relatively competent?


I'll concede the age argument, being only 26 and having time on his side to improve, but he hasn't had a lot of kicking experience and he's bounced around a good bit. that makes me question his competency a lot despite hitting 89% of 23 fg's or so in the last few years. Thats not a lot of attempts. And, he's struggled over 40 yards a good bit


he's 70% on 43 attempts over 40 yards for his career...i honestly don't know if that's good or bad...my guess is it's mediocre.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:39 pm

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he hit 89% of his kicks his first year, 32/36 (made pro-bowl, for whatever that is worth), looks like he got hurt and went on IR in 2015, made 80% in 2016, and 91% in 2017...how's that not relatively competent?


I'll concede the age argument, being only 26 and having time on his side to improve, but he hasn't had a lot of kicking experience and he's bounced around a good bit. that makes me question his competency a lot despite hitting 89% of 23 fg's or so in the last few years. Thats not a lot of attempts. And, he's struggled over 40 yards a good bit



he's 70% on 43 attempts over 40 yards for his career...i honestly don't know if that's good or bad...my guess is it's mediocre.


I just looked quickly at other kicker's and were seeing consistent numbers in the upper 80's+, so that was my basis for the statement about 40+.

ETA: I looked at Crosby, Hauska and the Pats kicker (similar stadiums/weather). Only Crosby was similar to Parkey and everyone in GB seems to want him out.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:01 pm



https://theathletic.com/644267/2018/11/ ... per-point/

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Pick any year and you’ll find that NFL teams average a point scored about every 15 scrimmage yards. This year, that figure is 15.6. But the Bears this year are beating this average by scoring a point every 12.2 yards. Conversely, Bears opponents have had to gain 16.8 yards to score a point. When you subtract this defensive yards per point from their offensive one, the resulting difference of 4.59 yards is the best mark in the NFC and trails only the Chiefs in all of the NFL.

Individually, many things the Bears are good at are viewed as more descriptive of winning than predictive of it, according to Wharton professor Cade Massey of Massey-Peabody (where I’ve contributed). But teams like the Bears that need less yards to score while requiring their opponents to gain more are doing so many little things well that it’s not believed to be happening by mere chance.

Dumb luck, for example, cannot explain the Patriots finishing in the top five in the statistic every year since 2010, including their third-place ranking heading into Week 10. And the Chiefs, this year’s leaders, have been top six in the statistic every year since 2013, when Andy Reid became their head coach.


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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:38 pm

David wrote:

https://theathletic.com/644267/2018/11/ ... per-point/

I'll post a snippet for non-subscribers

Pick any year and you’ll find that NFL teams average a point scored about every 15 scrimmage yards. This year, that figure is 15.6. But the Bears this year are beating this average by scoring a point every 12.2 yards. Conversely, Bears opponents have had to gain 16.8 yards to score a point. When you subtract this defensive yards per point from their offensive one, the resulting difference of 4.59 yards is the best mark in the NFC and trails only the Chiefs in all of the NFL.

Individually, many things the Bears are good at are viewed as more descriptive of winning than predictive of it, according to Wharton professor Cade Massey of Massey-Peabody (where I’ve contributed). But teams like the Bears that need less yards to score while requiring their opponents to gain more are doing so many little things well that it’s not believed to be happening by mere chance.

Dumb luck, for example, cannot explain the Patriots finishing in the top five in the statistic every year since 2010, including their third-place ranking heading into Week 10. And the Chiefs, this year’s leaders, have been top six in the statistic every year since 2013, when Andy Reid became their head coach.


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I feel that article failed to make the case that this stat is predictive of success.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby Tim » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:59 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
David wrote:

https://theathletic.com/644267/2018/11/ ... per-point/

I'll post a snippet for non-subscribers

Pick any year and you’ll find that NFL teams average a point scored about every 15 scrimmage yards. This year, that figure is 15.6. But the Bears this year are beating this average by scoring a point every 12.2 yards. Conversely, Bears opponents have had to gain 16.8 yards to score a point. When you subtract this defensive yards per point from their offensive one, the resulting difference of 4.59 yards is the best mark in the NFC and trails only the Chiefs in all of the NFL.

Individually, many things the Bears are good at are viewed as more descriptive of winning than predictive of it, according to Wharton professor Cade Massey of Massey-Peabody (where I’ve contributed). But teams like the Bears that need less yards to score while requiring their opponents to gain more are doing so many little things well that it’s not believed to be happening by mere chance.

Dumb luck, for example, cannot explain the Patriots finishing in the top five in the statistic every year since 2010, including their third-place ranking heading into Week 10. And the Chiefs, this year’s leaders, have been top six in the statistic every year since 2013, when Andy Reid became their head coach.


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I feel that article failed to make the case that this stat is predictive of success.

I don't see anything in that article to determine whether that stat has a causal, correlated or resultant relationship with wins. My sense is that it's merely correlated due to other root causes influencing both overall success and points per yard.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:11 pm

i had similar thoughts. i feel inclined to think it's more correlation more than anything. either way, they're in good company, at least. and the teams in the division are behind by a pretty wide margin, so maybe that's something.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby UMFan83 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:09 pm

Kicker....
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:10 pm

That extra point is gonna be a big hassle in their attempt to put up 50 today.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby UMFan83 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:34 pm

Bears 2nd and 10 from fringe FG range, why do they call a pick play that involves Cohen catching it 3-4 yards behind the line of scrimmage. I like getting Cohen the ball with a lane to run but that type of play has a higher probability of losing yards in an area you really don’t want to lose any yards.


Oh and TB Trubisky is back
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:34 pm

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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:34 pm

Wonder what the Vaunted PFF Grade says about that quarter from Trubisky. 9/10, 139 yards, 1 TD.
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby jersey cubs fan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:35 pm

Mitchell looks decent, imo
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby Bertz » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:39 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Wonder what the Vaunted PFF Grade says about that quarter from Trubisky. 9/10, 139 yards, 1 TD.


A Bortlesian performance if I've ever seen one
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:39 pm

Robinson looks like the guy we all wanted. 98 yrs and a TD on 3 catches so far. I'll take that
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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

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Re: Week 10: Lions at Bears Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:47 pm

We are good.
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