2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

User avatar
UK
Hall of Fame
Posts: 20653
Joined: Thu May 15, 2003 2:38 pm
x 144
x 402

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby UK » Sun May 20, 2018 5:11 am

I'm probably higher on Young than most. From what I seen of him, he reminds me of Mahmoud Abdul Rauf/Chris Jackson. That style of play translates better now than it did 25 years ago. If the main names are gone, I would not be upset. I like him more than Bamba, tbh.
0 x
Image

1) Make election day a federal holiday.
2) Enact National Popular Vote.

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

User avatar
UK
Hall of Fame
Posts: 20653
Joined: Thu May 15, 2003 2:38 pm
x 144
x 402

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby UK » Sun May 20, 2018 5:25 am

As far as pick 22....

I like Simons, Musa, Brown, or Robinson.

Would be disappointed if it's Hutchison.
0 x
Image

1) Make election day a federal holiday.
2) Enact National Popular Vote.

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

davell
Hall of Fame
Posts: 21364
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:55 pm
x 1791
x 2283

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby davell » Sun May 20, 2018 6:58 am

I think at this point, this is my list.....

Tier 1
Ayton

Tier 2(slight drop from 1)
Bagley, Doncic

Tier 3(decent drop from 2)
Bamba, MPJ, Carter, JJJ

Tier 4(slight drop from 3)
Young, Mikal Bridges, Sexton

Tier 5(huge drop from 4)
Robert Williams, Zhaire Smith, Gilgeous-Alexander, Lonnie Walker, Dzanan Musa, Troy Brown, Donte DiVencenzo

Tier 6(slight drop from 5)
Miles Bridges, Kevin Knox, Chandler Hutchison, Mitchell Robinson, Aaron Holiday, Josh Okogie

Tier 7( very slight drop from 6)
Jontay Porter, De'Anthony Melton, Grayson Allen, Melvin Frazier, Khyri Thomas, Keita Bates-Diop, Gary Trent Jr .
0 x
Additional rule: you have to have one or the other.The only exception is you have an amazing board name. davell, I'm looking at you; put up a [expletive] avatar or something if your name only sounds like somebody tried say Dave as they lapsed into a coma.

User avatar
Regular Show
All-Star
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon May 16, 2016 10:16 am
Location: Chicago, IL
x 1500
x 531

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby Regular Show » Fri May 25, 2018 9:03 am

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_ ... draft-pick

Givony: I'm not ready to say he is certain to drop outside of the top three, but I do think that if the draft were tonight, I wouldn't have him in that range. Doncic and his camp could have some influence on where he lands if they choose to use his contractual status with Real Madrid as leverage (explained below), but the reality at the moment is that the teams in the top three might all pass on him anyway. The fact that Sacramento (No. 2), Atlanta (No. 3) and Memphis (No. 4) all declined to send a single person from the U.S. to watch the Euroleague Final Four tells me something about their interest level.


This is a good article on ESPN about why Doncic might be falling in the draft. It's pretty speculative, but they mention how bad he's looked at times in recent games. Their lead draft analyst (Jonathan Givony) is still really high on him and thinks he should go #1.

I have my doubts and would take Ayton and Bagley over him right now. His contract status could play a factor in where he gets drafted. He could potentially delay his NBA arrival by honoring his current contract with Real Madrid and come over in 3 years, similar to Mirotic. This could be a ploy by Doncic and his agent to get him to fall to an ideal team/market in the draft.
0 x
"It was met with, basically, he didn't want to talk about that. He didn't want me to tell him that. I just basically said, 'Well that's why we want an electronic strike zone.'" -- Ben Zobrist

CaliforniaRaisin
Inner-Circle HOF
Posts: 90451
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:20 pm
Location: Pasadena, CA
x 569
x 2796

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:48 pm



0 x
Image

User avatar
UMFan83
Inner-Circle HOF
Posts: 76841
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:42 pm
Location: Southport Ave
x 2711
x 4053
Contact:

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby UMFan83 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:59 pm

*cough*bullsh-t*cough*
0 x
Win it for Fred

davell
Hall of Fame
Posts: 21364
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:55 pm
x 1791
x 2283

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby davell » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:23 pm

It's so disappointing to know HOW horsefeathering cheap this group is. Thank God we've got the Cubs lol.
0 x
Additional rule: you have to have one or the other.The only exception is you have an amazing board name. davell, I'm looking at you; put up a [expletive] avatar or something if your name only sounds like somebody tried say Dave as they lapsed into a coma.

User avatar
WrigleyField 22
Superstar
Posts: 11872
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:48 pm
Location: hnderstabxcwhsg
x 1574
x 584

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:56 pm

I don't even think you can complain about being cheap here, just plain dumb. Like there is zero chance the 10,000 was the determining factor, but I think a genuine arrogance that it wasn't worth it to attend.
0 x
Image

User avatar
bcl412
Superstar
Posts: 15705
Joined: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:02 pm
Location: Boston
x 227
x 550

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby bcl412 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:55 pm

The Bulls are a pretty hatable franchise if you’re a fan of them
0 x

User avatar
Outshined_One
Blam.
Posts: 32231
Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:38 am
Location: Chicago, IL
x 1
x 74

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby Outshined_One » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:16 am

The more I hear about this draft, the more I wonder if it wouldn't be a bad thing if the Bulls traded down a few spots. Their options at 7 seem like guys with massive boom/bust potential, or low risk low ceiling guys who are just uninspiring.

If this draft is supposedly deep, would anyone in the 10-15 range be willing to trade up with the Bulls? Getting future picks or additional picks (hi LA Clippers!) might be the way to go if none of the guys available are worth it.
0 x

User avatar
WrigleyField 22
Superstar
Posts: 11872
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:48 pm
Location: hnderstabxcwhsg
x 1574
x 584

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 3:17 am

What's wrong with boom or bust?
0 x
Image

User avatar
Outshined_One
Blam.
Posts: 32231
Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:38 am
Location: Chicago, IL
x 1
x 74

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby Outshined_One » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:43 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:What's wrong with boom or bust?


I don't trust the coaching staff or the medical team. Bamba really intrigues me out of the possible picks at 7, but if he is gone, I don't trust the team doctors with Porter and I don't think the coaches can properly develop guys like Sexton or Turner.
0 x

User avatar
SouthSideRyan
is ELL
Posts: 49451
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:08 am
Location: Chicago Loop
x 496
x 1377

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby SouthSideRyan » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:55 am

Boom or bust is exactly what the bulls need
0 x
Exile on Waveland wrote: IU smells like poop.

davell
Hall of Fame
Posts: 21364
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:55 pm
x 1791
x 2283

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby davell » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:03 am

Trading down would suck. If anything, they need to move up. If we found our way into 4, I'd take Bamba, or Bagley, if he's still there. At 7, you have a chance at getting an elite guy, but the odds lower obviously.....

My final 7 is Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, Bamba, then MPJ, JJJ, and Carter- with the order changing constantly.

Mikal Bridges or Young aren't guys I want, but would stupidly delude myself into thinking they can work.

Miles Bridges, Collin Sexton, or Kevin Knox throws me into a Christmas Vacation Clark Griswold rant.

If we want a 2nd solid pick, take Faried from Denver for 14, even if you give up 22.

And buy a damn pick in the 30's, like they sold off last year.
0 x
Additional rule: you have to have one or the other.The only exception is you have an amazing board name. davell, I'm looking at you; put up a [expletive] avatar or something if your name only sounds like somebody tried say Dave as they lapsed into a coma.

User avatar
rawaction
Hall of Fame
Posts: 34086
Joined: Thu May 29, 2003 11:04 pm
x 699
x 612

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby rawaction » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:32 pm

davell wrote:Trading down would suck. If anything, they need to move up. If we found our way into 4, I'd take Bamba, or Bagley, if he's still there. At 7, you have a chance at getting an elite guy, but the odds lower obviously.....

My final 7 is Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, Bamba, then MPJ, JJJ, and Carter- with the order changing constantly.

Mikal Bridges or Young aren't guys I want, but would stupidly delude myself into thinking they can work.

Miles Bridges, Collin Sexton, or Kevin Knox throws me into a Christmas Vacation Clark Griswold rant.

If we want a 2nd solid pick, take Faried from Denver for 14, even if you give up 22.

And buy a damn pick in the 30's, like they sold off last year.


This is about where I am. I think if you're the Bulls you gotta make every effort to trade up to 4. Assuming Ayton, Doncic and Bagley are the top 3. I want to be assured of Porter or Bamba (who I am more intrigued by by the day). I don't think you get either sitting at 7. But to me, Porter has to be the pick. If I'm going boom/bust, I want the guy with the offensive talent (in an O driven league) that has injury questions rather than the defensive guy that has offensive questions. Of course, that same logic should make Trae Young pretty intriguing. If Young is the guy, I'd definitely be drinking the Kool Aid that he'd work out and be Steph Curry 2.0. But for whatever reason, I'd also feel better if the Bulls went up and got him at 4. That would show me that they value him a lot and he's the guy they want rather than the guy they settled for at 7.
0 x

User avatar
Regular Show
All-Star
Posts: 1874
Joined: Mon May 16, 2016 10:16 am
Location: Chicago, IL
x 1500
x 531

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby Regular Show » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:15 am

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls ... cost-bulls

Good article. I agree with the logic in the article and I'm an advocate of the "moving up" strategy in this draft. I already mentioned doing that a few months ago and I'm totally okay with giving up next year's draft pick (while putting Top-3 protection on it) because I think next year's draft class is terrible in terms of talent and upside.

My favorite prospect is still Bagley, but I also like MPJ and I go back-and-forth on Bamba. So Ayton is going #1, but after that I have no clue what will happen. If the Bulls have the opportunity to move up I think they should do it.
0 x
"It was met with, basically, he didn't want to talk about that. He didn't want me to tell him that. I just basically said, 'Well that's why we want an electronic strike zone.'" -- Ben Zobrist

User avatar
UMFan83
Inner-Circle HOF
Posts: 76841
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:42 pm
Location: Southport Ave
x 2711
x 4053
Contact:

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:55 pm

I've decided I like just 7 guys for the Bulls first pick in this draft and if we get 1 of the 7 I'll be happy. Obviously some of these like Ayton won't happen.

Roughly in order: Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Porter, Bamba, Young, Jackson

I see mock drafts having the Bulls taking Wendell Carter, Kevin Knox, Mikail Bridges....just not a big fan of the fit of any of those 3. I'm not a huge fan of Bamba's fit either but I think the upside is insane.
0 x
Win it for Fred

User avatar
rawaction
Hall of Fame
Posts: 34086
Joined: Thu May 29, 2003 11:04 pm
x 699
x 612

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby rawaction » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:41 pm

UMFan83 wrote:I've decided I like just 7 guys for the Bulls first pick in this draft and if we get 1 of the 7 I'll be happy. Obviously some of these like Ayton won't happen.

Roughly in order: Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Porter, Bamba, Young, Jackson

I see mock drafts having the Bulls taking Wendell Carter, Kevin Knox, Mikail Bridges....just not a big fan of the fit of any of those 3. I'm not a huge fan of Bamba's fit either but I think the upside is insane.


Yeah, I want to move up just so they don't have to "settle" for the 7th of those guys. I want them to go get who they like the most outside of Ayton, who's gone at 1.

Not liking the stuff coming out about Porter, about how teams think he'll miss his rookie year.

1. Phoenix- Ayton
2. Sacramento- Bagley
3. Atlanta- Doncic
4. Bulls- Bamba (not sure what it would take, but I'd be willing to take Parsons' deal in order to keep either 22 or Portis). Maybe #4 + Parsons for #7, 2019 top 3 protected pick, Portis?
5. Dallas- Porter
6. Orlando- Young
7. Memphis- Jackson Jr.
0 x

davell
Hall of Fame
Posts: 21364
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:55 pm
x 1791
x 2283

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby davell » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:42 pm

I like Carter a lot. If he's the guy at 7, I'm fine with it. He's not my first choice, he's in the 5-7 range for me. But, I'd prefer Porter or Bamba, just for the upside.

I want an extra pick somehow. And I want to either move up to 14 or 15, from 22. Which seems very doable.
0 x
Additional rule: you have to have one or the other.The only exception is you have an amazing board name. davell, I'm looking at you; put up a [expletive] avatar or something if your name only sounds like somebody tried say Dave as they lapsed into a coma.

davell
Hall of Fame
Posts: 21364
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:55 pm
x 1791
x 2283

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby davell » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:20 pm



Damn, those arms.....
0 x
Additional rule: you have to have one or the other.The only exception is you have an amazing board name. davell, I'm looking at you; put up a [expletive] avatar or something if your name only sounds like somebody tried say Dave as they lapsed into a coma.

User avatar
SpongeWorthy
Superstar
Posts: 13097
Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:47 am
x 121
x 234

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby SpongeWorthy » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:49 pm

davell wrote:I like Carter a lot. If he's the guy at 7, I'm fine with it. He's not my first choice, he's in the 5-7 range for me. But, I'd prefer Porter or Bamba, just for the upside.

I want an extra pick somehow. And I want to either move up to 14 or 15, from 22. Which seems very doable.


I like Carter too but I think his ceiling is rich man's Taj Gibson.

boom or bust uber alles
0 x

User avatar
Brian
Hall of Fame
Posts: 26796
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:43 pm
Location: Chicago
x 35
x 3463
Contact:

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby Brian » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:41 pm

I really want Memphis' pick
0 x

User avatar
WrigleyField 22
Superstar
Posts: 11872
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:48 pm
Location: hnderstabxcwhsg
x 1574
x 584

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:22 pm

Brian wrote:I really want Memphis' pick

Who do you want.

I by no means follow the draft as closely these days, but had kind of resigned myself to one of Bamba, MPJ, or Young being there at 7 and each offering a similar boom/bust profile (granted all in uniquely different ways). It seems possible a trade up to 4 is for one of these guys. Should I feel strongly enough for 1 over the other 2?
0 x
Image

User avatar
David
Inner-Circle HOF
Posts: 60658
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:33 am
Location: Chicago
x 7746
x 4723

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby David » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:35 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
Brian wrote:I really want Memphis' pick

Who do you want.

I by no means follow the draft as closely these days, but had kind of resigned myself to one of Bamba, MPJ, or Young being there at 7 and each offering a similar boom/bust profile (granted all in uniquely different ways). It seems possible a trade up to 4 is for one of these guys. Should I feel strongly enough for 1 over the other 2?


I have no idea the answer to your question, but KC Johnson apparently said this morning that the buzz is they'd be trading up to get Bamba.
0 x
Image

The Cubs’ transaction list under Epstein and Hoyer reads like a work of fiction, a wish-fulfillment list composed in hindsight.

User avatar
Brian
Hall of Fame
Posts: 26796
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:43 pm
Location: Chicago
x 35
x 3463
Contact:

Re: 2017-18 Bulls Thread - Fly the Tank W

Postby Brian » Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:48 pm

Yeah I should clarify that I watch no college basketball at all and know basically nothing about any of these players, but if it really is only going to take picking up a horsefeathers contract costing money they weren't going to spend anyways than I'd much prefer them doing that and going up and getting somebody they really want at 4 than taking what's left at 7.
0 x


Return to “Other Sports”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests