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Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:46 pm

The Bears are somehow only 3 point underdogs to a team with a competent QB.




(*-potential midseason firing)
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:35 pm

is Fox still the coach? dammit
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:37 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:is Fox still the coach? dammit

This just means theres no interest in Fangio as HC either, so there's no use for the trial period.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby BigbadB » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:21 pm

I keep hoping to see a new update that he's been fired. We gotta have something to look forward to.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby rawaction » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:53 pm

Would have happened by now, if it was going to happen. Gameplan goes into place tomorrow. Would have to make a change by then. Bears have never fired a coach midseason.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:59 pm

rawaction wrote:Would have happened by now, if it was going to happen. Gameplan goes into place tomorrow. Would have to make a change by then. Bears have never fired a coach midseason.


I would not be surprised if they were hoping for a mutual agreement to terminate with a partial buyout of the 2018 season. Maybe they know he's miserable and wants to be done, but don't want to be on the hook for the whole thing.


They will be competing with the Giants for their next head coach, though.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

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rawaction wrote:Would have happened by now, if it was going to happen. Gameplan goes into place tomorrow. Would have to make a change by then. Bears have never fired a coach midseason.


I would not be surprised if they were hoping for a mutual agreement to terminate with a partial buyout of the 2018 season. Maybe they know he's miserable and wants to be done, but don't want to be on the hook for the whole thing.


They will be competing with the Giants for their next head coach, though.


Giants job only looks attractive because it's NYC's team. Gotta deal with the Manning situation and they have a ton of money tied into older players with a ton of free agent starters and no cap space to fill those spots. Bears should get the cream of the crop if they so choose.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:10 pm

i'm so freaking jealous of the rams vs the bumbling dumb old coot we have



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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby BigbadB » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:13 pm

5:53 of that video made me rewind several times.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:58 pm




Even with everything else going on with this organization, it's probably time to start thinking about how to replace Kyle Long, who is about to turn 29 and has shown a knack for getting injured. The offensive line has not shown the ability that many expected them to have this season, and I can't imagine they end this year as anything more than an average unit. With no skill position talent and an unsettled QB situation, this group has been a big disappointment.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:12 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/DickersonESPN/status/930825489786093568


Even with everything else going on with this organization, it's probably time to start thinking about how to replace Kyle Long, who is about to turn 29 and has shown a knack for getting injured. The offensive line has not shown the ability that many expected them to have this season, and I can't imagine they end this year as anything more than an average unit. With no skill position talent and an unsettled QB situation, this group has been a big disappointment.


when is his contract up? He's 29, so I wouldn't be throwing him out the door. the knack for injuries is truly a concern, but I feel like there are bigger issues on that line namely the tackle positions. Sitton, Whitehair, Grasu, Long are three solid guards (c's) for a rotation. I wouldn't be nec targeting one before the 3-4 round, but depth cant hurt. I wouldn't at all mind a 1)tackle 2)wr or 1)wr 2)tackle sequence to our draft, however.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:20 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/DickersonESPN/status/930825489786093568


Even with everything else going on with this organization, it's probably time to start thinking about how to replace Kyle Long, who is about to turn 29 and has shown a knack for getting injured. The offensive line has not shown the ability that many expected them to have this season, and I can't imagine they end this year as anything more than an average unit. With no skill position talent and an unsettled QB situation, this group has been a big disappointment.


when is his contract up? He's 29, so I wouldn't be throwing him out the door. the knack for injuries is truly a concern, but I feel like there are bigger issues on that line namely the tackle positions. Sitton, Whitehair, Grasu, Long are three solid guards (c's) for a rotation. I wouldn't be nec targeting one before the 3-4 round, but depth cant hurt. I wouldn't at all mind a 1)tackle 2)wr or 1)wr 2)tackle sequence to our draft, however.


He's signed through 2021, but he's an $8m+ cap hit right now and won't come close to living up to it in back to back seasons. He's probably safe for 2018, but they have to be looking to bring in younger depth this offseason. Yes, tackle is also a concern, and that's part of what I meant by "even with everything else going on". You can't really count on him to give you $8.5m in production in 2018, and the chances of him making it to 2019 as a viable $9.6m player are not good.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:19 pm

I've been over Kyle Long for a while
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:42 pm

I'd be all for a Rd1 lineman if the value is right. Also Grasu has to go IMO. You can't have your backup C unable to play G, and Whiteside needs to be given the reigns at C and stay there.

I'm of the mindset you should be adding a young lineman every year. Not sure if they think anything of Morgan or not...
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:54 pm

Michigan's Jim Harbaugh is just the thing the Bears need - Chicago Tribunehttps://apple.news/AHufWL-7bS8yEptlH2uJ3IQ
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby David » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:10 am

looking for a nerd who is less lazy than i am to figure out what kind of game it would take for mitch to get his passer rating into the 80's tomorrow. not entirely sure if 90's is even feasible with a monster game.

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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:32 am

David wrote:looking for a nerd who is less lazy than i am to figure out what kind of game it would take for mitch to get his passer rating into the 80's tomorrow. not entirely sure if 90's is even feasible with a monster game.

umfan, i'm looking at you

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14-25, 255 yds, 2 TD, 1 int = 80.17 season (101.25 game)
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27-35, 375 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int =90.5 for season (139.58 game)

Passer rating is dumb.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:39 am

Just looking at the stats, Mitch's comp% and sack rate would both be REALLY big causes for concern if I didn't have context of him primarily passing out of 3rd and mid-long situations. Having that context it's still a little concerning.

ETA- With benefit of my below post - Mitch can't blame his woes on being forced into third and long entirely. But, stop making negative/short plays on first down jagoffs.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:59 am

Mitch by situation

Situation______Cmp______Att______Inc______Cmp%_________Rate______Sk______% Passes___Y/A
1st & 10______15________31________16________48.39______92.9_______3______26%_______10.2
1st & >10_____3________ 3________0 ________100.00______95.8_______1______3%_________ 7
2nd & 4-6_____3________ 4________1 ________75.00______108.3______1_______4%_______10.5
2nd & 7-9_____3________ 6________3 ________50.00______56.3_______1_______5%________2.8
2nd & 10+____7________ 24________17________29.17______22.2_______1_______19%_______2.6
3rd & 4-6_____3________ 6________3 ________50.00______76.4_______2_______6%________7.8
3rd & 7-9_____6________ 7________1 ________85.71______158.3______3_______8%_______15.6
3rd & 10+_____14_______20________6 ________70.00_______92.7_______4_______19%_______7.8
4th & 10+_____1________ 1________0 ________100.00______87.5_______0_______1%_________5
3/4&short_____3________ 11________8________27.27_______39.6_______0_______9%________2.3

I'm pretty sure that there are a few outlier plays throwing off these numbers because of sample size... but interesting nonetheless. In case anyone was curios as to the split of passes by situation.... obviously not necessarily great context without comparison against total plays by situation and league avg. figures. No I'm not going to do that, done geeking out.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:09 pm

Switching up the play calls a little bit. I like it.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby UMFan83 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:11 pm

Looks like Loggains took the criticism personally. Doing some different things and making a conscious effort to get Cohen involved.
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:12 pm

The throw to Shaheen to get it inside the 10 was perfect.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:13 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:The throw to Shaheen to get it inside the 10 was perfect.
Shaheen was held twice too
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Re: Week 11: John Fox*s Bears vs Detroit Sunday noon on Fox

Postby UMFan83 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:13 pm

That was not a great throw on 3rd and goal
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:15 pm

UMFan83 wrote:That was not a great throw on 3rd and goal
Yeah a tick sooner and a lead pass and that's 6
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