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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:34 pm

David wrote:
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It will be interesting to see if this pushes us into Ridley


I'm damn near positive the Bears will match.


welp, nevermind

wonder if this says anything about how his recovery is going




Just coming here to discuss this. Does this (combined with the Sutton interview) suggest a trade down-draft WR scenario?
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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:35 pm

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Was Robinson's injury that much less severe?



Robinson has produced a lot more
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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:43 pm

Yuck I don't like that decision at all. They are still way under the cap and its 2 years max.
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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby BigbadB » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:22 pm

I'm sad about Meredith taking a walk, but if the Saints rescind their offer to Willie Snead, I would hope the Bears have interest in him. The Saints already have Ted Ginn and Michael Thomas. I'd really rather not see them have to spend early on a WR in the draft when they already signed two guys via free agency. Kevin White needs someone to battle for playing time.
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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:24 pm

This is clearly an Indication Kevin White is finally, actually, healthy
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Postby davell » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:58 pm

I think this leads to a trade down. We've got legit needs for an edge rusher, a wide out, and an offensive lineman. Not to mention, its conceivable they could take a DB early too.

I guess there's still some vets you can sign, but if we're counting on draft picks to play, I'd like to see us have 3rd rounders or better at each of those spots.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:04 pm

Well this sucks.

Cohen is WR 3 right now.
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Postby davell » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:15 pm

Not sure I'd like trading down this far, but 8 and 115 for 23,31, and 95 is in the vicinity from the outdated trade value chart.....

It'd give us 4 picks in the top 95 and you'd still have an early 4th too, to navigate with somewhat.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:24 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:Well this sucks.

Cohen is WR 3 right now.
I don't like the way Pace played this (at all) but I have no issue with Cohen at WR. He runs great routes, possibly has the best hands on the team, is amazing in space, and I'd rather pair someone else with Howard in the backfield. I think he will play the Tyreek Hill role to a T.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:30 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:Well this sucks.

Cohen is WR 3 right now.
I don't like the way Pace played this (at all) but I have no issue with Cohen at WR. He runs great routes, possibly has the best hands on the team, is amazing in space, and I'd rather pair someone else with Howard in the backfield. I think he will play the Tyreek Hill role to a T.

My issue isn't with him playing WR, but he's also our RB2. Together that's almost a full time player with bad depth behind both spots.

They need some skill player upgrades and their line is also pretty shaky with bad depth.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:33 pm

All of this has to be more the Bears uncomfortable with Meredith’s injury but ok with Whites recovery. I hope they know what we don’t know
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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby Bertz » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:36 pm

davell wrote:Not sure I'd like trading down this far, but 8 and 115 for 23,31, and 95 is in the vicinity from the outdated trade value chart.....

It'd give us 4 picks in the top 95 and you'd still have an early 4th too, to navigate with somewhat.


It looks like trading with the Bills for 22, 53, and 56 would be about right as well.

I really want Quenton Nelson, but I wouldn't be surprised if getting someone like Will Hernandez plus two more picks is a lot better from a sabermetric (is it still called that when we're talking football?) perspective.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:38 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:All of this has to be more the Bears uncomfortable with Meredith’s injury but ok with Whites recovery. I hope they know what we don’t know

I dont think (maybe false hope) this has anything to do with White. He's like an old pool table in the basement you just haven't gotten rid of because it's more a pain to move it up the stairs than the extra space is worth. That should be the attitude anyways.
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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:46 pm

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minnesotacubsfan wrote:All of this has to be more the Bears uncomfortable with Meredith’s injury but ok with Whites recovery. I hope they know what we don’t know

I dont think (maybe false hope) this has anything to do with White. He's like an old pool table in the basement you just haven't gotten rid of because it's more a pain to move it up the stairs than the extra space is worth. That should be the attitude anyways.


If they draft Nelson at 8, its exactly what I stated.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:48 pm

How does drafting Nelson at 8 validate that?
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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:58 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:Well this sucks.

Cohen is WR 3 right now.

No he isn't
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:02 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:Well this sucks.

Cohen is WR 3 right now.

No he isn't

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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:14 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:How does drafting Nelson at 8 validate that?


Because it validates willing to go into the season with White


Im not sure I agree, i’m not trying to argue, its just seems like an obvious observation. Meredith has deeply outplayed White in their careers, why would you gamble otherwise?
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:14 am

I mean lost money is lost money
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:17 am

Clarify: White may very well be lost money. Meredith maybe not. Why is Pace betting this way?
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:18 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:How does drafting Nelson at 8 validate that?


Because it validates willing to go into the season with White


Im not sure I agree, i’m not trying to argue, its just seems like an obvious observation. Meredith has deeply outplayed White in their careers, why would you gamble otherwise?

So basically you think if they dont draft WR at 8 they are going in with White penciled in at the 3rd WR spot?

I highly disagree. Agimain, hopefully that's just not wishful thinking.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:22 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:Clarify: White may very well be lost money. Meredith maybe not. Why is Pace betting this way?

White is lost money either way, but he is additional lost cap too by doing anything other than keeping him on the roster for now. Basically he's around by default until he gets outplayed by 53 other guys. Maybe they're super confident in his health, but even healthy that would be dumb. So... maybe just wishful thinking again on my part, but he's just a weird spaceholder to me.
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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:00 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:Clarify: White may very well be lost money. Meredith maybe not. Why is Pace betting this way?

White is lost money either way, but he is additional lost cap too by doing anything other than keeping him on the roster for now. Basically he's around by default until he gets outplayed by 53 other guys. Maybe they're super confident in his health, but even healthy that would be dumb. So... maybe just wishful thinking again on my part, but he's just a weird spaceholder to me.


They (pace) took him #4 pick overall. How is his potential weird??
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:16 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:Clarify: White may very well be lost money. Meredith maybe not. Why is Pace betting this way?

White is lost money either way, but he is additional lost cap too by doing anything other than keeping him on the roster for now. Basically he's around by default until he gets outplayed by 53 other guys. Maybe they're super confident in his health, but even healthy that would be dumb. So... maybe just wishful thinking again on my part, but he's just a weird spaceholder to me.


They (pace) took him #4 pick overall. How is his potential weird??
7th FWIW

What stands out to me here, is that Nagy must have felt Meredith wasn't irreplaceable. I have to think he would have made his voice heard here and had Pace bring him back. It was just a poor gamble on Pace's behalf.
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Re: Bears 2018 Offseason: Matt Nagy Hired as Head Coach

Postby David » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:18 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:Clarify: White may very well be lost money. Meredith maybe not. Why is Pace betting this way?

White is lost money either way, but he is additional lost cap too by doing anything other than keeping him on the roster for now. Basically he's around by default until he gets outplayed by 53 other guys. Maybe they're super confident in his health, but even healthy that would be dumb. So... maybe just wishful thinking again on my part, but he's just a weird spaceholder to me.


They (pace) took him #4 pick overall. How is his potential weird??


just because he had potential in 2015 doesn't mean he has much of it left now

even when he's been healthy he has looked entirely unimpressive on the field...and i don't just mean numbers. he doesn't flash anything.
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