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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:38 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:He's on the PS.

But let's be honest, Bray is not the answer. Sink or swim with Mitch thus year and bring in real competition next year.


Can’t just throw a season away with this D in place. The clock is ticking. If Mitch has nothing to offer they’ve got to see if they can get close to mediocre at QB. I’m not there yet but I could see benching him if another two games go by with no improvement.

There is nobody they can bring in from the outside that would be competent and Chase Daniel already showed how awful he is, losing to the Giants last year.

It's Mitch or nothing this year.


Yeah seriously, are we suggesting that Tyler Bray is the way to maximize having an elite defense this year? Look Mitch has been terrible this year and is likely not the answer long term at QB, but with Bray you are getting Mitch's performance on Sunday without the one good throw at the end. I still have faith that Mitch can play adequately enough to be the clear better option than anyone else on the roster or anyone who would be available midseason.
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Postby Banedon » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:36 pm

I guess they're not buds anymore.

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Postby Brian » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:59 pm

Brandon Marshall is an idiot and we were always right to hate him.
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Postby BigbadB » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:38 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote:
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Can’t just throw a season away with this D in place. The clock is ticking. If Mitch has nothing to offer they’ve got to see if they can get close to mediocre at QB. I’m not there yet but I could see benching him if another two games go by with no improvement.

There is nobody they can bring in from the outside that would be competent and Chase Daniel already showed how awful he is, losing to the Giants last year.

It's Mitch or nothing this year.


Yeah seriously, are we suggesting that Tyler Bray is the way to maximize having an elite defense this year? Look Mitch has been terrible this year and is likely not the answer long term at QB, but with Bray you are getting Mitch's performance on Sunday without the one good throw at the end. I still have faith that Mitch can play adequately enough to be the clear better option than anyone else on the roster or anyone who would be available midseason.


The suggestion is that if Trubisky can't hit open receivers, find someone who can. Trubisky got a pass from me last year because he did occasionally find receivers downfield between bad throws. So far this year, there has been very little to be excited about at the QB position. I'm not really opining for Bray, but some unknown cat named Gardner Minshew can step into the spotlight on short notice and connect with his receivers. I was hoping a full offseason would get Trubisky in tune with his receivers, and it appears as though he has taken a step or two backwards instead. Another lame effort against Washington (and in the national spotlight) and I'll be ready to move on. Maybe they can get Fitzpatrick on the cheap.
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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:47 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote:There is nobody they can bring in from the outside that would be competent and Chase Daniel already showed how awful he is, losing to the Giants last year.

It's Mitch or nothing this year.


Yeah seriously, are we suggesting that Tyler Bray is the way to maximize having an elite defense this year? Look Mitch has been terrible this year and is likely not the answer long term at QB, but with Bray you are getting Mitch's performance on Sunday without the one good throw at the end. I still have faith that Mitch can play adequately enough to be the clear better option than anyone else on the roster or anyone who would be available midseason.


The suggestion is that if Trubisky can't hit open receivers, find someone who can. Trubisky got a pass from me last year because he did occasionally find receivers downfield between bad throws. So far this year, there has been very little to be excited about at the QB position. I'm not really opining for Bray, but some unknown cat named Gardner Minshew can step into the spotlight on short notice and connect with his receivers. I was hoping a full offseason would get Trubisky in tune with his receivers, and it appears as though he has taken a step or two backwards instead. Another lame effort against Washington (and in the national spotlight) and I'll be ready to move on. Maybe they can get Fitzpatrick on the cheap.


I just don't see some dude whose been in the league for 6 years but has rarely if ever made an active roster as someone who can step in and be effective. Minshew was a 2019 draft pick and earned his way into a role as Jags backup QB in 1 training camp. I guess I just remember clamoring for Hanie to get a chance and when he did he was [expletive] awful. Worse than Mitch awful.

Anyways, as bad as Mitch has been, he was pretty much an average starting QB last season in a number of metrics. True he also had some enormous red flags and it seems like defenses have figured him out but I'd give him more than 3 weeks to see if he can get back to some semblance of that level before kicking him to the curb for Tyler Bray.

Fitzpatrick is a decently intriguing option if he's available midway through the season and Mitch is still as awful.
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Re: Week 2 - Chicago Bears @ Denver Broncos - Sunday 9/15 at 3:25 on FOX

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:01 pm

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1. The suggestion is that if Trubisky can't hit open receivers, find someone who can.
2. I'm not really opining for Bray, but some unknown cat named Gardner Minshew can step into the spotlight on short notice and connect with his receivers.
3. Maybe they can get Fitzpatrick on the cheap.


1. Easier said than done.
2. He was drafted by that team this year.
3. I'm pretty sure the Bears broke Fitzmagic last year. I'm not certain he'd do any better than Chase Daniel, who is garbage.


Look, we all agree the QB position has sucked and is wasting the great effort by the defense. We'd all love to get more out of the position. But this isn't picking up a reliever at the trade deadline situation. QB is a very specific position that rarely, if ever, gets improved with in season moves. There's really not much the Bears can do now, midseason, to fix the QB position unless Mitch gets better.
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Re: Week 2 - Chicago Bears @ Denver Broncos - Sunday 9/15 at 3:25 on FOX

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:03 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Fitzpatrick is a decently intriguing option if he's available midway through the season and Mitch is still as awful.

The Bears have traded away enough draft picks already, I have zero interest in trading another one for Ryan Fitzfreakingpatrick
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:08 pm

The best QB on the roster for the rest of this season is going to Mitch Trubisky. It sucks that he sucks, but neither professional clipboard lectern Chase Daniel nor some random practice squad fodder are better options.

I've got as big a raging doom boner about Trubisky as anyone, but he was regular bad, not Moses Moreno bad.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:10 pm

Minshew lit up the best Pac 10 defenses. Hes from Wash St, and while I hate the cougars, he was a decent prospect who didn’t get drafted high because

1) he played in a Mike Leech offense and everyone puts up numbers in his offense

2) he played at Wazzu
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Postby Old Style » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:30 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:Minshew lit up the best Pac 10 defenses.

Is that like being the tallest midget?
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Re: Week 2 - Chicago Bears @ Denver Broncos - Sunday 9/15 at 3:25 on FOX

Postby ConstableRabbit » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:35 pm

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minnesotacubsfan wrote:Minshew lit up the best Pac 10 defenses.

Is that like being the tallest midget?

Utah had a legit defense and he had a good game against them, but yeah.
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:14 pm

I know the Dolphins are giving him nothing to work with, but Ryan Fitzpatrick, lol
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Postby weitliz » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:16 pm

Maybe Pace can rustle up Kaepernick's number from somewhere...
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:34 pm

Re: Mitch's bad throws: when I rewatched game 1 tape, a lot of throws that had looked bad live were really throw aways where the coverage sucked.

Now his accuracy isn't what it was supposed to be, but I'm not sure he's some egregiously inaccurate passer. The bigger issue is definitely where he's just not seeing open receivers because his reads are bad.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:42 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:Now his accuracy isn't what it was supposed to be, but I'm not sure he's some egregiously inaccurate passer.


This isn't a one game issue. He's missed guys badly a lot. Somebody shared a video showing how awful he is when he has time to think vs other times when he looks great. I'll never forget (nor probably forgive) him missing badly on an easy touchdown in Miami last year, since I was there and everybody in the house knew it was a touchdown until the ball sailed past. He is, way more often than is acceptable, egregiously inaccurate.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:43 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:Now his accuracy isn't what it was supposed to be, but I'm not sure he's some egregiously inaccurate passer.


This isn't a one game issue. He's missed guys badly a lot. Somebody shared a video showing how awful he is when he has time to think vs other times when he looks great. I'll never forget (nor probably forgive) him missing badly on an easy touchdown in Miami last year, since I was there and everybody in the house knew it was a touchdown until the ball sailed past. He is, way more often than is acceptable, egregiously inaccurate.


He used to make 4 good throws for every one weirdly inaccurate one.

Now he's making one good throw per game.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:44 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:Re: Mitch's bad throws: when I rewatched game 1 tape, a lot of throws that had looked bad live were really throw aways where the coverage sucked.

Now his accuracy isn't what it was supposed to be, but I'm not sure he's some egregiously inaccurate passer. The bigger issue is definitely where he's just not seeing open receivers because his reads are bad.


I can 100% buy the last part. I don't have access to the wide-view game tape or anything, but there's no way on all those checkdowns he's not had anyone open. He's just not seeing things.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:58 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:Now his accuracy isn't what it was supposed to be, but I'm not sure he's some egregiously inaccurate passer.


This isn't a one game issue. He's missed guys badly a lot. Somebody shared a video showing how awful he is when he has time to think vs other times when he looks great. I'll never forget (nor probably forgive) him missing badly on an easy touchdown in Miami last year, since I was there and everybody in the house knew it was a touchdown until the ball sailed past. He is, way more often than is acceptable, egregiously inaccurate.


He used to make 4 good throws for every one weirdly inaccurate one.

Now he's making one good throw per game.

That 4:1 ratio seems like a reasonable assessment of last season.

The 1 good throw a game might be hyperbole. Just based on rewatching game 1, I'm not sure there were 10 good throws to even make the whole game (excluding check downs). He probably missed 3 or 4 of those completely (i.e. Didn't even see it), missed 1 or 2 with inaccuracy. Had 1 or 2 dropped, and made the rest (but only 1 or 2 were "wow" throws that could be used when someone wants to put a mixtape together showing how Mitch can "make all the throws")
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Re: Week 2 - Chicago Bears @ Denver Broncos - Sunday 9/15 at 3:25 on FOX

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
This isn't a one game issue. He's missed guys badly a lot. Somebody shared a video showing how awful he is when he has time to think vs other times when he looks great. I'll never forget (nor probably forgive) him missing badly on an easy touchdown in Miami last year, since I was there and everybody in the house knew it was a touchdown until the ball sailed past. He is, way more often than is acceptable, egregiously inaccurate.


He used to make 4 good throws for every one weirdly inaccurate one.

Now he's making one good throw per game.

That 4:1 ratio seems like a reasonable assessment of last season.

The 1 good throw a game might be hyperbole. Just based on rewatching game 1, I'm not sure there were 10 good throws to even make the whole game (excluding check downs). He probably missed 3 or 4 of those completely (i.e. Didn't even see it), missed 1 or 2 with inaccuracy. Had 1 or 2 dropped, and made the rest (but only 1 or 2 were "wow" throws that could be used when someone wants to put a mixtape together showing how Mitch can "make all the throws")


Cohen had two dropped passes by himself....
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Postby BigbadB » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:30 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
He used to make 4 good throws for every one weirdly inaccurate one.

Now he's making one good throw per game.

That 4:1 ratio seems like a reasonable assessment of last season.

The 1 good throw a game might be hyperbole. Just based on rewatching game 1, I'm not sure there were 10 good throws to even make the whole game (excluding check downs). He probably missed 3 or 4 of those completely (i.e. Didn't even see it), missed 1 or 2 with inaccuracy. Had 1 or 2 dropped, and made the rest (but only 1 or 2 were "wow" throws that could be used when someone wants to put a mixtape together showing how Mitch can "make all the throws")


Cohen had two dropped passes by himself....


I don't recall two missed passes. There was one that should have been a touchdown that was badly underthrown and while it did hit Cohen's hands, the defender got his hands in there to knock it out. I don't count that one as "dropped".
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BigbadB wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:That 4:1 ratio seems like a reasonable assessment of last season.

The 1 good throw a game might be hyperbole. Just based on rewatching game 1, I'm not sure there were 10 good throws to even make the whole game (excluding check downs). He probably missed 3 or 4 of those completely (i.e. Didn't even see it), missed 1 or 2 with inaccuracy. Had 1 or 2 dropped, and made the rest (but only 1 or 2 were "wow" throws that could be used when someone wants to put a mixtape together showing how Mitch can "make all the throws")


Cohen had two dropped passes by himself....


I don't recall two missed passes. There was one that should have been a touchdown that was badly underthrown and while it did hit Cohen's hands, the defender got his hands in there to knock it out. I don't count that one as "dropped".


this season, Cohen has had 2 dropped passes

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders ... L&rank=232
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minnesotacubsfan wrote:
BigbadB wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
Cohen had two dropped passes by himself....


I don't recall two missed passes. There was one that should have been a touchdown that was badly underthrown and while it did hit Cohen's hands, the defender got his hands in there to knock it out. I don't count that one as "dropped".


this season, Cohen has had 2 dropped passes

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders ... L&rank=232


Oh, this season. Yeah, that seems more likely. The previous poster seemed to be referring to this past game, so I thought you were referring to just that game, also.
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BigbadB wrote:
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I don't recall two missed passes. There was one that should have been a touchdown that was badly underthrown and while it did hit Cohen's hands, the defender got his hands in there to knock it out. I don't count that one as "dropped".


this season, Cohen has had 2 dropped passes

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders ... L&rank=232


Oh, this season. Yeah, that seems more likely. The previous poster seemed to be referring to this past game, so I thought you were referring to just that game, also.


yea, I see the confusion. *I thought* Hairy was talking in terms that seemed to me to be this season, not just last game, hence my comment.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:21 pm

BigbadB wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
BigbadB wrote:
I don't recall two missed passes. There was one that should have been a touchdown that was badly underthrown and while it did hit Cohen's hands, the defender got his hands in there to knock it out. I don't count that one as "dropped".


this season, Cohen has had 2 dropped passes

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders ... L&rank=232


Oh, this season. Yeah, that seems more likely. The previous poster seemed to be referring to this past game, so I thought you were referring to just that game, also.

Fwiw I was referencing game 1 as I rewatched a good chunk of that game. He was probably worse game 2 as far as accuracy, though live I thought he was a lot worse on accuracy in game 1 then when I reviewed plays.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:20 am

Pretty decent video here:


2nd week in a row Leno has been the worst player in this offense. Daniels probably number 2.

Montgomery probably the best player on offense right now,. Whitehair looking strong too.
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