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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby Brian » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:15 am

I'm guessing Jalen Hurts or some random guy barely anybody has ever heard of at 50
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:15 am

abmillis wrote:I feel like they need to trade down from 50 now, because they need a DB and an OL. Kmet may be a pretty good player, but you just gave Jimmy Graham a bunch of money and you have literally 9 TEs on the roster already.

Jimmy Graham on a 2 year deal shouldn't affect your draft plans.

Besides the Nagy offense should be able to use 2 TE sets.

TE has a reputation as a position that guys struggle to make a big impact at as rookies. Hopefully Kmet breaks that trend.
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby Derwood » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:17 am

Pace gotta Pace

Next pick, a tweener LB/DB from a D3 school
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:29 am

Who?

Raw help me understand the universe here
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby UMFan83 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:36 am

rawaction wrote:My best available for the Chicago Bears today:

1. Grant Delpit, S, LSU
2. Josh Jones, OT, Houston
3. Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor
4. Xavier McKinney, S, Alabama
5. Trevon Diggs, CB, Alabama
6. Antoine Winfield Jr, S, Minnesota
7. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU
8. Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge, Penn State
9. Lucas Niang, OT, TCU
10. AJ Epeneza, Edge, Iowa


Ideally, the Bears can get two of these guys at 43 and 50. If McKinney comes off the board, watch for Pace to potentially trade up for Delpit. Jones is another possible trade up target, IMO. Be nice to get one of the top 3, and then trade back with 50 and get a guy in the next tier along with another pick either late tonight or early tomorrow. Or else, we got a long wait between picks. Be much easier waiting if the Bears pick up one of the top 3 and another of the 4-10.


And the bears get none of them
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:37 am

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rawaction wrote:My best available for the Chicago Bears today:

1. Grant Delpit, S, LSU
2. Josh Jones, OT, Houston
3. Denzel Mims, WR, Baylor
4. Xavier McKinney, S, Alabama
5. Trevon Diggs, CB, Alabama
6. Antoine Winfield Jr, S, Minnesota
7. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU
8. Yetur Gross-Matos, Edge, Penn State
9. Lucas Niang, OT, TCU
10. AJ Epeneza, Edge, Iowa


Ideally, the Bears can get two of these guys at 43 and 50. If McKinney comes off the board, watch for Pace to potentially trade up for Delpit. Jones is another possible trade up target, IMO. Be nice to get one of the top 3, and then trade back with 50 and get a guy in the next tier along with another pick either late tonight or early tomorrow. Or else, we got a long wait between picks. Be much easier waiting if the Bears pick up one of the top 3 and another of the 4-10.


And the bears get none of them

Raws list aside, Kmet was a get.

Johnson? No idea
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:39 am

Jaylen was talked about possibly going first, but as mentioned on the broadcast has the shoulder injury.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:44 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:Jaylen was talked about possibly going first, but as mentioned on the broadcast has the shoulder injury.

Going 1st or IN THE 1st?
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:45 am

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:Jaylen was talked about possibly going first, but as mentioned on the broadcast has the shoulder injury.

Going 1st or IN THE 1st?

I think you know the answer to that.
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:53 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/sulleymon/status/1253843473465311232?s=21

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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby rawaction » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:02 am

Jaylon Johnson looks pretty good statistically. QBs were 4 of 31 completing passes beyond 10 yards against his coverage.

I preferred Trevon Diggs, but I think Johnson is a better fit for the Bears' scheme. Press cover guy that has ball skills. I had him as a borderline 2nd/3rd round pick. But I might have underrated him based on the stats I've read.

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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:17 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:Jaylen was talked about possibly going first, but as mentioned on the broadcast has the shoulder injury.

Going 1st or IN THE 1st?

I think you know the answer to that.

The way you wrote it, he’s like Dion Sanders, with an injury.

I mean, I’d horsefeathering love the value in that but I haven’t heard anything about him.
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby rawaction » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:12 am

Interesting my nerdy ass noticed this week is the Bears have no DB jersey numbers available. Every number in the 20s, 30s and 40s is taken except retired numbers 28, 34, 40 and 42.

Means Jaylon Johnson will probably have to take a doubled up number of an offensive player like 29 (Cohen), 32 (Montgomery), or 35 (Nall) unless they cut a DB or force someone not making the team to change.

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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:25 am

It sounds like Johnson was an appropriate talent level pick

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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby Wilson A2000 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:30 am

I like the picks and hopefully the new coaching staff in 2021 will be able to get the best out of them
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:45 am

Wilson A2000 wrote:I like the picks and hopefully the new coaching staff in 2021 will be able to get the best out of them


Its a reasonable gamble to think this season wont matter, virus be damned
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby Cubfanintheknow » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:05 am

JFC... just tuned into the draft.

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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby UMFan83 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:07 am

rawaction wrote:Interesting my nerdy ass noticed this week is the Bears have no DB jersey numbers available. Every number in the 20s, 30s and 40s is taken except retired numbers 28, 34, 40 and 42.

Means Jaylon Johnson will probably have to take a doubled up number of an offensive player like 29 (Cohen), 32 (Montgomery), or 35 (Nall) unless they cut a DB or force someone not making the team to change.

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Are they allowed to do that in the NFL? I know it happens in college but can’t remember seeing that in the pros
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:32 am

UMFan83 wrote:
rawaction wrote:Interesting my nerdy ass noticed this week is the Bears have no DB jersey numbers available. Every number in the 20s, 30s and 40s is taken except retired numbers 28, 34, 40 and 42.

Means Jaylon Johnson will probably have to take a doubled up number of an offensive player like 29 (Cohen), 32 (Montgomery), or 35 (Nall) unless they cut a DB or force someone not making the team to change.

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Are they allowed to do that in the NFL? I know it happens in college but can’t remember seeing that in the pros


In summer, sure, why not.
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:40 am

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UMFan83 wrote:
rawaction wrote:Interesting my nerdy ass noticed this week is the Bears have no DB jersey numbers available. Every number in the 20s, 30s and 40s is taken except retired numbers 28, 34, 40 and 42.

Means Jaylon Johnson will probably have to take a doubled up number of an offensive player like 29 (Cohen), 32 (Montgomery), or 35 (Nall) unless they cut a DB or force someone not making the team to change.

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Are they allowed to do that in the NFL? I know it happens in college but can’t remember seeing that in the pros


In summer, sure, why not.

No, the Bears now have to legally forfeit the pick now. Wtg Pace.
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby UMFan83 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:50 am

Draft grades are meaningless so I should probably stop this post now but since I know little about prospects I looked at a few. Everyone is panning the Kmet pick and loving the Johnson pick.

Love WalterFootball’s writeup on Kmet

Chicago Bears: Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame - O'BRIEN Grade
Ryan Pace needs help. I don't understand why he thinks he needs to spend so many high resources on tight ends, especially when none of them are close to elite. He paid tons of money to Jimmy Graham this offseason, only to select a tight end in the second round? Why!? And why didn't he pick the tight end some teams had higher on their boards, Adam Trautman? Kmet was not the consensus best player at his position, and Pace could've obtained someone similar in the third round, or perhaps someone slightly worse early on Day 3. This is an "F" grade all the way. Pace needs to go.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:00 am

UMFan83 wrote:Draft grades are meaningless so I should probably stop this post now but since I know little about prospects I looked at a few. Everyone is panning the Kmet pick and loving the Johnson pick.

Love WalterFootball’s writeup on Kmet

Chicago Bears: Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame - O'BRIEN Grade
Ryan Pace needs help. I don't understand why he thinks he needs to spend so many high resources on tight ends, especially when none of them are close to elite. He paid tons of money to Jimmy Graham this offseason, only to select a tight end in the second round? Why!? And why didn't he pick the tight end some teams had higher on their boards, Adam Trautman? Kmet was not the consensus best player at his position, and Pace could've obtained someone similar in the third round, or perhaps someone slightly worse early on Day 3. This is an "F" grade all the way. Pace needs to go.

What a stupid horsefeathering write up.
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby Splendid Splinter » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:13 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Draft grades are meaningless so I should probably stop this post now but since I know little about prospects I looked at a few. Everyone is panning the Kmet pick and loving the Johnson pick.

Love WalterFootball’s writeup on Kmet

Chicago Bears: Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame - O'BRIEN Grade
Ryan Pace needs help. I don't understand why he thinks he needs to spend so many high resources on tight ends, especially when none of them are close to elite. He paid tons of money to Jimmy Graham this offseason, only to select a tight end in the second round? Why!? And why didn't he pick the tight end some teams had higher on their boards, Adam Trautman? Kmet was not the consensus best player at his position, and Pace could've obtained someone similar in the third round, or perhaps someone slightly worse early on Day 3. This is an "F" grade all the way. Pace needs to go.

What a stupid horsefeathering write up.


Yep. Walter is a good read if you just want to see mocks/scouting reports/prospect visits/etc, but when it comes to analysis/actual scouting, it's not that good IMO. I like how he said "Pace could've obtained someone similar in the third round, or perhaps someone slightly worse early on Day 3". Apparently he didn't check to see what picks Bears have for this year's draft.

IIRC, I think he said Jaylon Johnson is a natural zone corner/limited to zone scheme when basically everyone else says the opposite.
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Re: Chicago Bears offseason

Postby rawaction » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:10 pm

A lot of the Cole Kmet hate is based on, "There was better talent there, they could have taken him at 50 or traded down". It's clear they wanted Jaylon Johnson. So best case scenario was they take Johnson at 43 instead of 50. Then they clearly wanted Kmet so who knows if they would have been even able to trade down. And who knows if they would have gotten him beyond 50 (I'm about 100% sure they would have been able to get him still at 50).

So the likely alternatie was Johnson at 43 and Kmet at 50. And IDC what anyone says, Kmet was the consensus #1 TE. That much is clear based on the fact that no other TE went for almost 40 picks. The only way you grab the best player at a position in the draft, is to grab the first one. I was fine with him doing it for Trubisky at the time, even though I thought Watson was the best (we both were wrong), and I guess it's OK for Kmet. They clearly value TE in this offense more than I do. Mitch's best games the last 2 years came when Burton and Shaheen were either hurt or non-factors and the Bears went 3-4 wide.
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