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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby jumbo » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:45 pm

rawaction wrote:Speaking of the Lions, they kind of have to see what they can get for Stafford this offseason don't they? Age 33 season next year, new coach coming in. They have a whopping 21 free agents on the team, including all of their top 3 WRs. The trading team would have a 24.5Mil cap hit or so and would have an out after the year with most of his guaranteed money already paid. I can see a team like the Patriots, Broncos or Colts going for him. I think they all project to have a bunch of cap space and a surrounding team that shouldn't be too far off from competing (assuming no Patriot opt outs next year). The Lions aren't in the best position to draft a QB as they won't have a top 5 pick, but they are the perfect team to tank a year in hopes for the top pick in 2022.


How exactly does the cap hit work when trading? Does the players cap hit simply transfer from one team to the next? At one point in time I thought that the pro-rated signing bonus accelerated into the season that the player was acquired. This would make high salary/signing bonus guys impossible to trade, though I guess any trade could have a restructure built into it.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:00 pm

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You'll be able to watch the CBS late game:
https://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2020&wk=12

Dude, I’m watching the Saints v Broncos. It would be nice for the Bears to help the Saints tonight, though.

Well, Chiefs/Bucs is probably going to be higher-scoring and have more fantasy implications, so as a non Broncos fan, I'd love to have the option to flip to other stuff as you do. Which was obviously my point.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:15 pm

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rawaction wrote:Speaking of the Lions, they kind of have to see what they can get for Stafford this offseason don't they? Age 33 season next year, new coach coming in. They have a whopping 21 free agents on the team, including all of their top 3 WRs. The trading team would have a 24.5Mil cap hit or so and would have an out after the year with most of his guaranteed money already paid. I can see a team like the Patriots, Broncos or Colts going for him. I think they all project to have a bunch of cap space and a surrounding team that shouldn't be too far off from competing (assuming no Patriot opt outs next year). The Lions aren't in the best position to draft a QB as they won't have a top 5 pick, but they are the perfect team to tank a year in hopes for the top pick in 2022.


How exactly does the cap hit work when trading? Does the players cap hit simply transfer from one team to the next? At one point in time I thought that the pro-rated signing bonus accelerated into the season that the player was acquired. This would make high salary/signing bonus guys impossible to trade, though I guess any trade could have a restructure built into it.

The old team immediately takes any dead money hit in the form of prorated signing bonuses, all accelerated.
The new teams gets all base salary cap hits, both guaranteed or unguaranteed.

So for Stafford:
The Lions would take a dead cap hit of 19M for prorated salary. I'm not exactly sure what happens with his roster bonus though. It's due March 17 in 2021 and 2022 ($10M each year) so he might have to be traded before then for the Lions to not pick that up. But with a 33M cap hit the Lions still would end up net positive to trade him in that scenario. So certainly not impossible. And IMO the dead cap part is overblown. It's dead cap for a reason, it's a sunk cost. The savings is the annual salary that you get out of. And you can almost always move around other salaries to offset for the acceleration aspect of that contract.

And yea any restructure could happen as part of the trade, though only on unguaranteed portions I believe.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby Soul » Sun Nov 29, 2020 6:06 pm

Can we flex to the Broncos game please?
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:41 pm

NOLA wrote:https://twitter.com/espnstatsinfo/status/1332840307029893123?s=21
Keep in mind that the Broncos cancelled practice Friday and had only a light practice Saturday to prepare.

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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby Soul » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:50 pm

I you’re a Vikings fan and just got back from a bathroom break, I’ve got news for you.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:15 pm

Soul wrote:I you’re a Vikings fan and just got back from a bathroom break, I’ve got news for you.

Oh yeah?
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:21 pm

This turned into a crazy game.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby Andy » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:38 pm

Carolina scores on back-to-back Minnesota snaps, and still manages to lose. Pretty impressive, really.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby NOLA » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:49 pm

This Saints vs Broncos game:

Taysom may go undefeated until Brees returns but no way is that guy the future at QB. Free Jameis.

Sean Payton threw nearly every down last week. I would not be at all surprised if he goes all run today just to be a dick.

This game will be under 2.5 hours long.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby sweetpeteman » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:55 pm

NOLA wrote:This Saints vs Broncos game:

Taysom may go undefeated until Brees returns but no way is that guy the future at QB. Free Jameis.

Sean Payton threw nearly every down last week. I would not be at all surprised if he goes all run today just to be a dick.

This game will be under 2.5 hours long.



In the 2nd quarter, and the Broncos are currently ahead in passing yards, 0 to -8.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby OleMissCub » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:58 pm

NOLA wrote:This Saints vs Broncos game:

Taysom may go undefeated until Brees returns but no way is that guy the future at QB. Free Jameis.

Sean Payton threw nearly every down last week. I would not be at all surprised if he goes all run today just to be a dick.

This game will be under 2.5 hours long.


Agreed. Winston needs to be in.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby NOLA » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:00 pm

sweetpeteman wrote:
NOLA wrote:This Saints vs Broncos game:

Taysom may go undefeated until Brees returns but no way is that guy the future at QB. Free Jameis.

Sean Payton threw nearly every down last week. I would not be at all surprised if he goes all run today just to be a dick.

This game will be under 2.5 hours long.



In the 2nd quarter, and the Broncos are currently ahead in passing yards, 0 to -8.

I really hope Payton isn’t so stubborn as to not put in Winston.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby Derwood » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:18 pm

The KC offense is kinda good
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby rawaction » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:20 pm

This Denver dude has thrown a more recent TD pass than Taysom Hill.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby NOLA » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:26 pm

rawaction wrote:This Denver dude has thrown a more recent TD pass than Taysom Hill.

He might throw an NFL touchdown before Taysom Hill.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby OleMissCub » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:28 pm

OMFG Tyreek Hill has 203 yards receiving and there is still 9 mins left in 2nd quarter
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby Derwood » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:33 pm

OleMissCub wrote:OMFG Tyreek Hill has 203 yards receiving and there is still 9 mins left in 2nd quarter


That was all in the first quarter.

Plus he backflipped into the end zone on one of his TDs
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby OleMissCub » Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:41 pm

Derwood wrote:Plus he backflipped into the end zone on one of his TDs


Someone needs to do a health check on Brian McCann.
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Postby UMFan83 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:34 pm

OleMissCub wrote:OMFG Tyreek Hill has 203 yards receiving and there is still 9 mins left in 2nd quarter


He has 57 fantasy points in my league and there’s still 5 mins left in the 3rd.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby OleMissCub » Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:49 pm

Broncos had more interceptions than completions. Best part about that stat: last time that happened....Ryan Leaf with the Chargers
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby rawaction » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:21 am

I was watching the ESPN NFL Countdown this morning and all the people on the show picked the Rams today. One of the analyst's reason was "Goff has played really well the last 2 weeks". So I say to my son, "Goff has played well 2 weeks in a row? Well that means a bad game today, because he is terrible every 3rd game".

Right on cue, Goff is 19-31, 198 yards and 2 INTs. And I just looked it up, he really is bad ever 3rd game. He did have a streak of 4 games of 100+ QB rating in a row this season, but sandwiched around those were two in the 70s. In 11 games he has 7 good and now 4 bad games.
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Re: NFL Week 11

Postby jumbo » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:46 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
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rawaction wrote:Speaking of the Lions, they kind of have to see what they can get for Stafford this offseason don't they? Age 33 season next year, new coach coming in. They have a whopping 21 free agents on the team, including all of their top 3 WRs. The trading team would have a 24.5Mil cap hit or so and would have an out after the year with most of his guaranteed money already paid. I can see a team like the Patriots, Broncos or Colts going for him. I think they all project to have a bunch of cap space and a surrounding team that shouldn't be too far off from competing (assuming no Patriot opt outs next year). The Lions aren't in the best position to draft a QB as they won't have a top 5 pick, but they are the perfect team to tank a year in hopes for the top pick in 2022.


How exactly does the cap hit work when trading? Does the players cap hit simply transfer from one team to the next? At one point in time I thought that the pro-rated signing bonus accelerated into the season that the player was acquired. This would make high salary/signing bonus guys impossible to trade, though I guess any trade could have a restructure built into it.

The old team immediately takes any dead money hit in the form of prorated signing bonuses, all accelerated.
The new teams gets all base salary cap hits, both guaranteed or unguaranteed.

So for Stafford:
The Lions would take a dead cap hit of 19M for prorated salary. I'm not exactly sure what happens with his roster bonus though. It's due March 17 in 2021 and 2022 ($10M each year) so he might have to be traded before then for the Lions to not pick that up. But with a 33M cap hit the Lions still would end up net positive to trade him in that scenario. So certainly not impossible. And IMO the dead cap part is overblown. It's dead cap for a reason, it's a sunk cost. The savings is the annual salary that you get out of. And you can almost always move around other salaries to offset for the acceleration aspect of that contract.

And yea any restructure could happen as part of the trade, though only on unguaranteed portions I believe.


Awesome, thanks. I keep reading people saying "trade ____, cut _____" and I'm trying to figure out who they could trade with the cap effects. I thought it was more complex for some reason. The low cap next year is going to be crazy - players will get cut to get the team under cap, then there may be a ton of players available with no cap space to pay them. I'm trying to game out how it will work but a lot of teams (Bears included) are way over that figure and will have a hard time signing anyone. Bears will be in purgatory for another year, unable to spend their way out with quick fixes

Question - if the Bears traded Robert Quinn (humor me on this), his dead cap hits the 2021 cap, and the new team has him with no future dead cap liability? He could be a one year rental and then cut before 2022 and whatever cap hit he would have had was already eaten by the Bears?
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