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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:19 pm

Wait are there people who were arguing that a HOF QB (underpaid for most of his time) wasn't critical to the Patriots nearly 2 decade dynasty?
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Postby Derwood » Mon Jan 18, 2021 6:31 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:Wait are there people who were arguing that a HOF QB (underpaid for most of his time) wasn't critical to the Patriots nearly 2 decade dynasty?


There was a sentiment that you could surround Brady with anyone and win championships. The team regularly took cast-offs from other teams and day 2/3 draft picks and sustained success. I don't know if anyone argued that Brady was unimportant, but I haven't delved back into the hot take archives
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Re: NFL perpetual 2020 regular and postseason non Bears thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:12 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:Wait are there people who were arguing that a HOF QB (underpaid for most of his time) wasn't critical to the Patriots nearly 2 decade dynasty?


There was a sentiment that you could surround Brady with anyone and win championships. The team regularly took cast-offs from other teams and day 2/3 draft picks and sustained success. I don't know if anyone argued that Brady was unimportant, but I haven't delved back into the hot take archives

So... that doesn't really disprove any Belicheck myth than? As long as it admits Belicheck's system was reliant on a HOF QB. It was still an incredibly successful system that other franchises with a HOF QB didn't get near matching.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:03 pm

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WrigleyField 22 wrote:Wait are there people who were arguing that a HOF QB (underpaid for most of his time) wasn't critical to the Patriots nearly 2 decade dynasty?


There was a sentiment that you could surround Brady with anyone and win championships. The team regularly took cast-offs from other teams and day 2/3 draft picks and sustained success. I don't know if anyone argued that Brady was unimportant, but I haven't delved back into the hot take archives

So... that doesn't really disprove any Belicheck myth than? As long as it admits Belicheck's system was reliant on a HOF QB. It was still an incredibly successful system that other franchises with a HOF QB didn't get near matching.



when the Pats sign Watson, we will finally get to see his system in full effect
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:07 pm

I always thought Hoodie made Brady more than vice versa and I’ll accept this season as a strong point against that
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Postby Andy » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:16 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I always thought Hoodie made Brady more than vice versa and I’ll accept this season as a strong point against that

I felt the same and have basically given up on that line of thinking.

The fact that I had to watch the utterly toast Cam Newton play a huge role in bringing me to that conclusion makes it even more painful.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:50 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I always thought Hoodie made Brady more than vice versa and I’ll accept this season as a strong point against that

Until we get to see Brady with a truly awful coach like Matt Nagy though, we'll never get the full sample we need.
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Postby gflore34 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:19 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I always thought Hoodie made Brady more than vice versa and I’ll accept this season as a strong point against that

Until we get to see Brady with a truly awful coach like Matt Nagy though, we'll never get the full sample we need.


Along those lines was wondering if Nagy had Watson could we finally see the Bears with a real NFL offense? Not so certain the answer is yes.
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Postby gflore34 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:19 pm

KC was my last hope to keep GB from winning the SB, KC sans a healthy Mahomes really makes GB the favorite, by a significant amount. Hell, I'm not so certain they weren't the favorite, regardless. Don't believe the NFC Championship is going to be very close, man, I loathe the Packers, respect them as a good team, etc. But, so horsefeathering tried of Rodgers and his pisshead porn 'stache beating up on the Bears and laughing about it, some day, year, century the Bears will do something about it , I hope.
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Postby NewUserName » Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:05 pm

Andy wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:I always thought Hoodie made Brady more than vice versa and I’ll accept this season as a strong point against that

I felt the same and have basically given up on that line of thinking.

The fact that I had to watch the utterly toast Cam Newton play a huge role in bringing me to that conclusion makes it even more painful.



I cant think of many coaches who would have stuck with Brady his rookie year going into the Super Bowl when Bledsoe was healthy. Maybe more so now, but that was a really bold move back then that most coaches wouldnt have made.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:44 pm

yea but, why would Watson want to go to the Jets
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:52 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:yea but, why would Watson want to go to the Jets
he wanted the guy the jets hired as HC.

Also one or two good seasons with that team will immortalize you in ways a Philip Rivers type career for 20 years never could.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:12 am

jersey cubs fan wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:yea but, why would Watson want to go to the Jets
he wanted the guy the jets hired as HC.

Also one or two good seasons with that team will immortalize you in ways a Philip Rivers type career for 20 years never could.



you mean putting up top 10 numbers years in a row while never getting to the Super Bowl? idk. It seems like he'd just be second fiddle to Eli Manning in that town
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:55 am

Also interesting about that is Jeremiah is basically the new mouthpiece of the Jets with Mehta bounced out last year. He and Douglas worked for 4-5 years together in Baltimore and he was rumored to be joining the FO when Douglas got hired until he didn't

The Saints are supposedly as much as $100 million over the cap in 2021. One or more of Kamara, Michael Thomas, Ramcyzk, and Lattimore might become available
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Postby NOLA » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:13 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Also interesting about that is Jeremiah is basically the new mouthpiece of the Jets with Mehta bounced out last year. He and Douglas worked for 4-5 years together in Baltimore and he was rumored to be joining the FO when Douglas got hired until he didn't

The Saints are supposedly as much as $100 million over the cap in 2021. One or more of Kamara, Michael Thomas, Ramcyzk, and Lattimore might become available

Kamara and Ramcyk are not going anywhere. I can see Lattimore and and MT being available, along with Emmanuel Sanders, Jared Cook, Kwon Alexander, Marcus Williams, Sheldon Rankins, Janoris Jenkins, and one of Trey Hendrickson and Cam Jordan.
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Postby OleMissCub » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:44 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:yea but, why would Watson want to go to the Jets
he wanted the guy the jets hired as HC.

Also one or two good seasons with that team will immortalize you in ways a Philip Rivers type career for 20 years never could.


Mark Sanchez is no Highlander, but I suppose we still do remember him as a Jet.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:22 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:yea but, why would Watson want to go to the Jets
he wanted the guy the jets hired as HC.

Also one or two good seasons with that team will immortalize you in ways a Philip Rivers type career for 20 years never could.

Had to google who Philip Rivers was to help me understand your point.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:26 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:yea but, why would Watson want to go to the Jets
he wanted the guy the jets hired as HC.

Also one or two good seasons with that team will immortalize you in ways a Philip Rivers type career for 20 years never could.

Had to google who Philip Rivers was to help me understand your point.

He's a real guy? I was just making up a fake name as an example.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:39 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
Ding Dong Johnson wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:he wanted the guy the jets hired as HC.

Also one or two good seasons with that team will immortalize you in ways a Philip Rivers type career for 20 years never could.

Had to google who Philip Rivers was to help me understand your point.

He's a real guy? I was just making up a fake name as an example.

Yeah, he's an architect in Houston. Maybe he should've done the new addition to the Guggenheim.
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Postby rawaction » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:39 pm

NOLA wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:Also interesting about that is Jeremiah is basically the new mouthpiece of the Jets with Mehta bounced out last year. He and Douglas worked for 4-5 years together in Baltimore and he was rumored to be joining the FO when Douglas got hired until he didn't

The Saints are supposedly as much as $100 million over the cap in 2021. One or more of Kamara, Michael Thomas, Ramcyzk, and Lattimore might become available

Kamara and Ramcyk are not going anywhere. I can see Lattimore and and MT being available, along with Emmanuel Sanders, Jared Cook, Kwon Alexander, Marcus Williams, Sheldon Rankins, Janoris Jenkins, and one of Trey Hendrickson and Cam Jordan.


They are going to have no choice but to push money out to the future. Ramczyk and Lattimore will probably get extended with HUGE signing bonuses and very low base salaries so they can save 8-10Mil on each.

Jordan and Armstead will get extensions also w/ big signing bonuses and low 2021 salaries. Jenkins, Alexander, Josh Hill, Patrick Robinson, Rankins, and Easton are easy no-brainer cuts. Marcus Williams walks in free agency. Even if Brees retires as expected, they'll have to hold onto him until June 1 to get the most savings this year (will also have a cap hit in 2022 though).

The thing w/ Lattimore is that they probably have to lose all their DBs other than CGJ, so they'll have to completely revamp that position if he's not back. He's probably their most tradeable player though and could return multiple picks (including a 2nd), which is important since they'd be down to like 35 players when they cut all the players they need to.
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Re: NFL perpetual 2020 regular and postseason non Bears thread

Postby Splendid Splinter » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:02 pm

So if I remember right and assuming he offically retires, Brees will count against the cap for $22.65 mil this coming season (all dead money) or $11.15 mil plus 11.5 in 2022 if post June 1st. Is that correct or did I miss something?
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Splendid Splinter wrote:So if I remember right and assuming he offically retires, Brees will count against the cap for $22.65 mil this coming season (all dead money) or $11.15 mil plus 11.5 in 2022 if post June 1st. Is that correct or did I miss something?


Correct.
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Postby NOLA » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:22 pm

rawaction wrote:
NOLA wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:Also interesting about that is Jeremiah is basically the new mouthpiece of the Jets with Mehta bounced out last year. He and Douglas worked for 4-5 years together in Baltimore and he was rumored to be joining the FO when Douglas got hired until he didn't

The Saints are supposedly as much as $100 million over the cap in 2021. One or more of Kamara, Michael Thomas, Ramcyzk, and Lattimore might become available

Kamara and Ramcyk are not going anywhere. I can see Lattimore and and MT being available, along with Emmanuel Sanders, Jared Cook, Kwon Alexander, Marcus Williams, Sheldon Rankins, Janoris Jenkins, and one of Trey Hendrickson and Cam Jordan.


They are going to have no choice but to push money out to the future. Ramczyk and Lattimore will probably get extended with HUGE signing bonuses and very low base salaries so they can save 8-10Mil on each.

Jordan and Armstead will get extensions also w/ big signing bonuses and low 2021 salaries. Jenkins, Alexander, Josh Hill, Patrick Robinson, Rankins, and Easton are easy no-brainer cuts. Marcus Williams walks in free agency. Even if Brees retires as expected, they'll have to hold onto him until June 1 to get the most savings this year (will also have a cap hit in 2022 though).

The thing w/ Lattimore is that they probably have to lose all their DBs other than CGJ, so they'll have to completely revamp that position if he's not back. He's probably their most tradeable player though and could return multiple picks (including a 2nd), which is important since they'd be down to like 35 players when they cut all the players they need to.

Mickey Loomis is a MFing wizard when it comes to maneuvering to get under the salary cap, but I don’t see them pushing too much money to the future. Out of the names listed, I think Ramcyk and maybe Lattimore are priorities. If they resign Marshon, it’s probably an indication that this is retool rather than a total tear down. But yeah, the rest of those names are likely gone. I can see PRob resigned to replace Janoris.
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