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Postby CubInOK » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:10 am

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UMFan83 wrote:Think of how much money FIFA just lost. They have to be pissed


thanks for pointing out the silver lining to this dark cloud, I actually feel a bit better.

We also lose out on Trump going to Russia in the summer of 2018. Not sure this is a good thing though.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:11 am

I don’t give a horsefeathers about soccer but this is horsefeathering embarrassing. I get not really competing in or winning a WC but not getting in is an absurd failure.
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Postby TruffleShuffle » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:11 am

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UMFan83 wrote:Think of how much money FIFA just lost. They have to be pissed


thanks for pointing out the silver lining to this dark cloud, I actually feel a bit better.

We also lose out on Trump going to Russia in the summer of 2018. Not sure this is a good thing though.


One fewer bed to be ruined in a Moscow hotel room.
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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:20 am

Cubswin11 wrote:I don’t give a horsefeathers about soccer but this is horsefeathering embarrassing. I get not really competing in or winning a WC but not getting in is an absurd failure.




This is probably the easiest federation to make the World Cup in and the US has more resources than anyone else in it. There is 0 excuse for ever missing a World Cup. Honestly this is one of the more shocking sports moments in my life
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Postby wolf stansson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:28 am

This was Clint Dempsey and Tim Howard's last game. Probably others. People like them and Bruce Arena have been a part of the highest highs for the men's team and now part of the lowest low. Pulisic has been robbed of his first World Cup experience. The legacies of Bradley and Jozy, two of the best to ever wear the jersey are doomed to eternal questions that until now we're mostly unfair. This changes everything for American soccer. This will impact the program forever, and I don't think we will get the hard won but positive change that should come as long as Sunil Gulati is still part of us soccer. He has to go. He bears more responsibility for this than anyone.

It's insane that US fans finally got our super star and this is what happened. It's horsefeathering crazy.

Younger guys like Pulisic, Yedlin, Wood, Acosta will be fine but the players like Jozy, Bradley, Besler, and Omar who would have otherwise rolled right through to 2022? I have no idea what happens to them. This ecosystem of predictable, non-competitive entitled spots is done though. Because of this failure and because the next generation is just better and deeper. No more looking at a 20 year old and knowing he's going to 3 world cups. That's over, except for maybe the elites like pulisic (who will still be 22 in Qatar).

Dempsey should retire tied with LD. Both robbed of their final bow. Careers that meant everything to malnourished fans and a culture hungry for stars going out like losers. As someone who has watched hundreds of hours of their careers, that hurts. This is a paradigm shift.

As for this game, Arena's tactics were a terrible idea against Panama and even worse against T&T. He just got lucky that Panama lost their minds and didn't bunker. Obviously T&T weren't that stupid. Michael Bradley isolated and alone was Jurgen's biggest tactical sin and Arena doing the same thing against counter attacking teams is unforgivable.

I don't know where we go from here but this is unthinkable. The weird part is that it feels sort of right with the state of our country. I now have zero things to be nationalistic about until Trump goes. I think we deserve that in a weird way.

Also, Billy Haisley was right the whole time.
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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:43 am

^very well said
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Postby wolf stansson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:49 am

Let TT vent for all of us.

http://www.espnfc.com/world-cup-qualify ... eo/3226307


Also it just occurs to me how much endorsement $ Pulisic isn't going to get just by missing a WC. This dudes paper I'm less concerned about:

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Postby soccer10k » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:00 am

Defend home turf and get a win on the road. That's what you need to do to qualify.

Going 3-1-1 or 4-1 at home is 10-12 points. Get 5 points on the road however they come and that puts you at 15-17. You're at least getting 4th with that.

We did neither. 9 points at home and only 3 on the road.
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Postby wolf stansson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:11 am

I'm not going to be able to sleep, so I'll dump one more thought. Insidious institutional rot papered over by circumstance, the failure of others, and a handful of exceptional individuals revealing itself when it's too late is having a devastating run on our country right now and I'm ready for better institutional infrastructure, like yesterday. I hate how everything in my point of view keeps coming back to the poisoning effects of unregulated capitalists but it is what it is. US Soccer must be held accountable but they won't be.
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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:17 am

Is this guy horsefeathering serious?

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Postby wolf stansson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:34 am

He makes millions with no oversight just by being slightly less corrupt than old school FIFA crooks. Of course he wants to downplay his failure. You don't get rich as an Econ professor.




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Postby soccer10k » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:41 am

UMFan83 wrote:Is this guy horsefeathering serious?



Of course he's going to say that. Wholesale changes means he gets fired.
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Postby TruffleShuffle » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:44 am

UMFan83 wrote:Is this guy horsefeathering serious?



What a stupid quote. Yeah, if the Dodgers and their $250 million payroll had finished 85-77 or whatever, and missed the playoffs by a game because they had a bunch of hard hit balls find gloves and a bunch of bloops by opposing teams fall in during their last game, they could claim to be unlucky, but the point is that it never should have come down to luck in a single game against a vastly inferior opponent.
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Postby UMFan83 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:46 am

Yeah I was more talking about trying to tell people the US was 2 inches away from making the World Cup. Could be true but this was a systematic failure that starts at the top. The fact that we even were in a position to be eliminated is completely unacceptable
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Postby soccer10k » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:48 am

Someone is having some fun with Sunil's wiki:

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Postby SpongeWorthy » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:51 am

is there any kind of data on how much money is invested in US Soccer compared to other country's federations?
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Postby wolf stansson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:00 am


That's...bad, right?
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:28 am

horsefeathers.
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Postby wvcbxl » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:33 am

wolf stansson wrote:Tim Howard's last game


As a Bruges fan, I'd like to suggest Ethan Horvath. He's close to being ready (needs more work on his timing on high crosses, but is already a fantastic goalline keeper).
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Postby wolf stansson » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:00 pm

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wolf stansson wrote:Tim Howard's last game


As a Bruges fan, I'd like to suggest Ethan Horvath. He's close to being ready (needs more work on his timing on high crosses, but is already a fantastic goalline keeper).

Horvath & Jese Gonzalez have 5 years to turn into legit keepers for the national team, so I hope Jese follows Ethan' lead and goes to Europe. It's always better to have two or more that push each other.
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:30 pm

My sister can relate to this tweet thread. She has spent I don't know how much $$ on youth soccer for my nephew.

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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:36 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:My sister can relate to this tweet thread. She has spent I don't know how much $$ on youth soccer for my nephew.


Yeah, the whole concept of travel teams and all that is just so icky to me, it's one of my favorite part of having only daughters who so far seem happy to just play some recreation league sports for the fun of it.
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Postby Banedon » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:46 pm

My son has only been in rec league, and has expressed some mild interest in competitive leagues, but that's mostly cuz he has friends there. I don't want to pay for something that I know he is going to get tired of having to put the work into almost immediately.
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Postby abmillis » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:14 pm

So, when’s the next relevant game for the USMNT? 2020 Gold Cup?
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Postby Mark Prior's Calves » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:39 pm

Any good recs on post-mortum podcasts?
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