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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby Careless » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:07 pm

Where's white mamba?
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby Stannis » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:18 pm

didn't lucas like totally wreck the rucker park league last year or something?
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby Careless » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:20 pm

"don't sleep on the white Mamba's passing skills, Funk!"
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby Careless » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:22 pm

Lo_Pan_Fan wrote:didn't lucas like totally wreck the rucker park league last year or something?

First, Kevin Durant scored 66 points at Rucker Park, which is extraordinary. The next night, third-string Bulls point guard John Lucas III scored 60 points in a loss to Durant. .. On his way to 60, Lucas went 22-for-41 from the field and 6-for-19 from downtown. He also made 1o of 11 free throws.
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby UMFan83 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:35 pm

LOLZ ROSE SHOT 40% TONIGHT. BULLS WIN DESPITE EX-MVP'S EXCESSIVE CHUCKING.

Sorry, just wanted to get that one out of the way so I can enjoy the win (despite the CJ injury that looks serious)
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby Careless » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:37 pm

What happened to him, anyway? Elbow?
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby The R-Train » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:00 am

Yes, elbow.

At 4-1 the Bulls are off to their best start since 1996-97.

Also I believe toinght was the widest margin of victory they've ever had in a home opener.
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby bcl412 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:03 am

The CJ injury worries me. We don't really have a backup PG.

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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby bukie » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:36 am

The strangest thing about last night's game is that the Bulls' season offensive efficiency numbers actually went down.

Their defensive efficiency, though, was hilarious last night as they held Memphis to a 68.1 offensive rating. As to what those numbers mean in real game contest, Memphis was limited to an average of one two-point basket every three trips down the court for the entire game. The league average Offensive Rating is 102.7 (which is a bit more than a basket every other trip, over a point per possession), and the worst offense in the league is at 90.6 for the year.
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby ctcf » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:23 am

Wow Kobe missed 22 shots last night (6-28). If Rose had a game like that, SSR would probably be pantsless.

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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby bukie » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:24 am

Today's Bulls trivia: Through 5 games, who leads the Bulls in shot rate (FGA/36 mins)?

FYI: Kobe Bryant leads the NBA with 22.0 FGA/36, and the Bulls leader is 27th at 16.9.
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby bukie » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:01 pm

Also, things I learned today:
Neil Paine evaluates every linear weighted rate statistic in existence (in public domain). This includes VORP, Statistical Plus/Minus, Game Score, Win Score, PER, TENDEX, NBA Efficiency, Points Created, Alternate Win Score...

...and...apparently Tom Thibodeau created his own version of PER that's amazingly good at predicting team performance with a lack of continuity (i.e. a team with a bunch of new players in a year), and a better predictor of future performance than over half the existing linear weighted rate statistics (6th overall performance, 2nd overall for teams with low continuity).
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby ctcf » Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:04 pm

bukie wrote:Also, things I learned today:...and...apparently Tom Thibodeau created his own version of PER that's amazingly good at predicting team performance with a lack of continuity (i.e. a team with a bunch of new players in a year), and a better predictor of future performance than over half the existing linear weighted rate statistics (6th overall performance, 2nd overall for teams with low continuity).


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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby SouthSideRyan » Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:59 pm

ctcf wrote:Wow Kobe missed 22 shots last night (6-28). If Rose had a game like that, SSR would probably be pantsless.


I thought we just called that the playoffs
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby UMFan83 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:07 pm

bukie wrote:Today's Bulls trivia: Through 5 games, who leads the Bulls in shot rate (FGA/36 mins)?

FYI: Kobe Bryant leads the NBA with 22.0 FGA/36, and the Bulls leader is 27th at 16.9.


CJ Watson?
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby bukie » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:10 pm

UMFan83 wrote:
bukie wrote:Today's Bulls trivia: Through 5 games, who leads the Bulls in shot rate (FGA/36 mins)?

FYI: Kobe Bryant leads the NBA with 22.0 FGA/36, and the Bulls leader is 27th at 16.9.


CJ Watson?

That's correct. Rip is second on the team, Rose third (82nd in the NBA).

Rose and Korver are both in the top 20 overall in TS% (among those that meet minimum qualifications of 10 shots per 36 minutes).
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby illiniguy » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:12 pm

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ctcf wrote:Wow Kobe missed 22 shots last night (6-28). If Rose had a game like that, SSR would probably be pantsless.


I thought we just called that the playoffs

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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby UMFan83 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:28 pm

bukie wrote:Also, things I learned today:
Neil Paine evaluates every linear weighted rate statistic in existence (in public domain). This includes VORP, Statistical Plus/Minus, Game Score, Win Score, PER, TENDEX, NBA Efficiency, Points Created, Alternate Win Score...

...and...apparently Tom Thibodeau created his own version of PER that's amazingly good at predicting team performance with a lack of continuity (i.e. a team with a bunch of new players in a year), and a better predictor of future performance than over half the existing linear weighted rate statistics (6th overall performance, 2nd overall for teams with low continuity).


That Pollack Guide thing is really awesome. Thanks for posting. Cant believe all this info is readily available for free.
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:19 pm

dextermorgan wrote:these clippers homers on the nba tv broadcast are bruutttallll


They're worse than the Lakers radio crew. So hilariously bad. I hate the way Ralph Lawler says the "Los Angeeeeles Clippers" every time.

Thanks for that post, bukie.

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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby bukie » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:11 pm

So, because I was really curious, I calculated Thibs-PER for 2010-11...and the results were really interesting...

Top 10 by T-PER:
1. Kevin Love 74.76
2. Dwight Howard 72.39
3. LeBron James 67.86
4. Tim Duncan 64.77
5. Pau Gasol 63.12
6. Blake Griffin 63.08
7. Dirk Nowitzki 61.74
8. Zach Randolph 61.25
9. Kevin Garnett 60.36
10. Andrew Bynum 59.50

Interesting to me...no guards. First guard was Wade, 12th at 59.37. First PG was Steve Nash 13th at 59.03. Rose was the 4th PG (Westbrook, Paul) and 25th overall at 54.40. Boozer was 26th overall at 54.22, and Noah was 31st at 52.22. The biggest reason for this is the weight given to rebounds and blocks in his system. It's weird looking, but also the most accurate at predicting individual performance for players that change teams.

Next I'll calculate the measure that Neil Paine evaluated as the most accurate predictor overall (Thibs was 2nd for low continuity teams, 6th overall), AWS (Alternate Win Score). Why? Because I'm bored and like this stuff.
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby UMFan83 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 11:53 pm

If point differential means something to you -- and by now it really should -- it should be impressive to hear that the Derrick Rose-led Bulls now have three 40-point wins since December 2010 ... in a league with only nine such scores total in that span.
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby Banedon » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:46 am

Fresh off signing a five-year contract extension with the Bulls worth nearly $95 million, Derrick Rose is said to be closing in on another lucrative deal.

Actually?

Lucrative is seriously underselling it based on the figures dribbling in to us.

One industry source insisted to ESPN.com this week that Rose's new shoe deal with adidas will easily crack nine figures and could legitimately approach the $250 million range -- as in $25 million annually over a 10-year span -- in what is known in the shoe game as a "lifetime" deal.

How can the reigning MVP possibly command those kind of dollars as a shoe endorser? Here's how: Rose, as it was explained to me, is adidas' only counter to Kobe Bryant in China. I'm told Rose already outsells LeBron James there.

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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby SouthSideRyan » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:55 am

UMFan83 wrote:
If point differential means something to you -- and by now it really should -- it should be impressive to hear that the Derrick Rose-led Bulls now have three 40-point wins since December 2010 ... in a league with only nine such scores total in that span.


I know this will shock you guys, but I am not impressed. Beating the [expletive] out of terrible teams because Thibs plays Rose 40 minutes doesn't do anything for me. Point differential should mean something because an easy win shows your dominance more than a game you win by 1 in double OT. Point differential when it comes to the difference between a coasting 20 point win and a 40 point win should mean very little.
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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby Banedon » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:58 am

SouthSideRyan wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:
If point differential means something to you -- and by now it really should -- it should be impressive to hear that the Derrick Rose-led Bulls now have three 40-point wins since December 2010 ... in a league with only nine such scores total in that span.


I know this will shock you guys, but I am not impressed. Beating the [expletive] out of terrible teams because Thibs plays Rose 40 minutes doesn't do anything for me. Point differential should mean something because an easy win shows your dominance more than a game you win by 1 in double OT. Point differential when it comes to the difference between a coasting 20 point win and a 40 point win should mean very little.


Memphis isn't terrible (or at least, wasn't last year), and Rose played 26 min on Sunday. Just sayin. Granted, that's one game, and I'm too lazy to go look up the others. Just wanted to present the facts that are favorable to my position and ignore the rest.

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Re: Chicago Bulls 2011-12 Season

Postby bukie » Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:13 am

Banedon wrote:
SouthSideRyan wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:
If point differential means something to you -- and by now it really should -- it should be impressive to hear that the Derrick Rose-led Bulls now have three 40-point wins since December 2010 ... in a league with only nine such scores total in that span.


I know this will shock you guys, but I am not impressed. Beating the [expletive] out of terrible teams because Thibs plays Rose 40 minutes doesn't do anything for me. Point differential should mean something because an easy win shows your dominance more than a game you win by 1 in double OT. Point differential when it comes to the difference between a coasting 20 point win and a 40 point win should mean very little.


Memphis isn't terrible (or at least, wasn't last year), and Rose played 26 min on Sunday. Just sayin. Granted, that's one game, and I'm too lazy to go look up the others. Just wanted to present the facts that are favorable to my position and ignore the rest.

The others:

1) 132-92 over Sacramento, Rose played 28 minutes, Deng 32, and it was a 26 point game through 3 when the subs extended it.

2) 121-76 over Philly, Rose played 29 minutes, Deng 32, and it was a 38 point game through 3 when the subs extended it to 45.

So, two playoff teams and a bad team, with no starter playing more than 3 quarters. There is a bit of a difference between coasting for a quarter to a 20 point win and coasting for a quarter and winning by 40 anyway. It doesn't happen a lot.
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