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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:47 pm

Smack wrote:hahaha, the look on that dudes face. How dare you!


"Trump wouldn't allow that to happen."
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Banedon » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:48 pm

It's even funnier cuz he's clearly looking up at the giant screen on the scoreboard and that's why he didn't try to get out of the way.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby BigSlick » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:04 pm

so the Bears are basically having the Cubs 2011 season right? Hit the tail end of any conceivable contention, having the worst and most hateable coaching and management, no immediate hope for the future except for a handful of players who themselves have question marks.

I mean, we need the mana from heaven that is Football Theo to land in our laps.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby UMFan83 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:09 pm

BigSlick wrote:so the Bears are basically having the Cubs 2011 season right? Hit the tail end of any conceivable contention, having the worst and most hateable coaching and management, no immediate hope for the future except for a handful of players who themselves have question marks.

I mean, we need the mana from heaven that is Football Theo to land in our laps.


Hmm if they followed the Cubs rebuild it would be more like 2012 right?

2009 Cubs/2013 Bears - One last gasp for an aging contender
2010 Cubs/2014 Bears - Wheels fall off
2011 Cubs/2015 Bears - New management, same results
2012 Cubs/2016 Bears - Rock bottom but starting to accumulate assets? Maybe? Hopefully?
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby David » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:10 pm

BigSlick wrote:so the Bears are basically having the Cubs 2011 season right? Hit the tail end of any conceivable contention, having the worst and most hateable coaching and management, no immediate hope for the future except for a handful of players who themselves have question marks.

I mean, we need the mana from heaven that is Football Theo to land in our laps.


what if ryan pace IS football theo except without having started by taking over an almost ready made boston team, but instead having taken over the 2011 cubs?

please be true (nah probably not)

also previous regime was much more hateable than this one
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:17 pm

I think it's more likely the Bears never win another Super Bowl.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:18 pm

They are, after all, sulley's team.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:30 pm

BigSlick wrote:so the Bears are basically having the Cubs 2011 season right? Hit the tail end of any conceivable contention, having the worst and most hateable coaching and management, no immediate hope for the future except for a handful of players who themselves have question marks.

I mean, we need the mana from heaven that is Football Theo to land in our laps.
im not the least bit happy with what he's done but I don't think you can compare it to the hendry situation. Jim had plenty of time to prove his failings. Pace should theoretically be more capable of adapting to modernity. But football isn't the straight up numbers game that baseball is. It's a very different situation
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby JonJayCutler » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:04 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Hmm if they followed the Cubs rebuild it would be more like 2012 right?

2009 Cubs/2013 Bears - One last gasp for an aging contender
2010 Cubs/2014 Bears - Wheels fall off
2011 Cubs/2015 Bears - New management, same results
2012 Cubs/2016 Bears - Rock bottom but starting to accumulate assets? Maybe? Hopefully?


So that settles it. The 2020 Bears are winning the Super Bowl. With Lamar Jackson at QB.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby BigSlick » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:10 pm

Well, the good news is if my analogy is correct, in like 2 years we're going to fire John Fox and hire Bill Belichick
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:32 pm

BigSlick wrote:Well, the good news is if my analogy is correct, in like 2 years we're going to fire John Fox and hire Bill Belichick

Hm not sure Belicheck is analagous here.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Sammy Sofa » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:39 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:
BigSlick wrote:Well, the good news is if my analogy is correct, in like 2 years we're going to fire John Fox and hire Bill Belichick

Hm not sure Belicheck is analagous here.


Football is THAT devoid of other coaching/team building talent.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:43 pm

I guess he would be a Theo/Madden conglomerate.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby cubbyvirus00 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:46 pm

Bernstein alluding to the fact that Pace is being stepped on by John Fox and his power is only growing in the organization.


The Bears upper level management is an embarrassment. Our best hope is waiting for Virginia to die and then they're forced to sell the team.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:51 pm

cubbyvirus00 wrote:Bernstein alluding to the fact that Pace is being stepped on by John Fox and his power is only growing in the organization.

Was this something on the radio?

GM/HC conflicts/power struggles are hardly abnormal. I'd be curious as to what exactly was said.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Sosa21MVP » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:13 am

I don't see any light at the end of this tunnel anytime soon.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Omar » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:16 am

Jason McLeod for Bears GM
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:52 am

Sosa21MVP wrote:I don't see any light at the end of this tunnel anytime soon.


I can see it if I squint.

As frustrating as White has been, it does usually take receivers a year of game time to come into their own. And I think we've gotten a decent number of useful guys out of each of the last two drafts. I can imagine a world where these guys continue to develop, and we another good draft with a high pick next year to the mix, and maybe a few less injuries.

Basically, we're short two OL, a second receiver, a playmaker on D and a stand-out or two in the secondary. *Maybe* the recent first-round picks on the roster can fill two of those holes through development, and you can fill a couple more with high picks in next year's draft.

There's just so many ways it can go wrong. Cutler is going to be 34 next year and has taken more of a beating than any other QB in the last decade. The offensive line is at least two guys short. Maybe White doesn't turn into anything and Jeffery leaves via free agency. Maybe Floyd never becomes any sort of impact playmaker. Maybe a guy like Goldman or Long becomes injured in a way that they don't come back full-strength ever and a position you thought was filled becomes a hole.

They're basically so bad they have no margin for error if they want to be not bad even two seasons after this one.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Derwood » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:41 am

I feel like they've been short a couple of OL for about twenty years now
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:41 pm

Why is it teams like Seattle and GB can just plug and play with OL, and the Bears just fumble over themselves?
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:05 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:Why is it teams like Seattle and GB can just plug and play with OL, and the Bears just fumble over themselves?

In the case of Angelo, they went several years w/o even taking OL in first 3-4 rounds, and made due with signing 29-33 y/o vets. In recent years emery took a guard, which aren't as important, and pace has also emphasized interior.

You have to actually draft top tackles if you want a stable line.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby apete6 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:08 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:Why is it teams like Seattle and GB can just plug and play with OL, and the Bears just fumble over themselves?


A lot of that is smoke and mirrors, ask Russell Wilson. Their line has been trash so far this year.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:24 pm

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minnesotacubsfan wrote:Why is it teams like Seattle and GB can just plug and play with OL, and the Bears just fumble over themselves?


A lot of that is smoke and mirrors, ask Russell Wilson. Their line has been trash so far this year.

also GB has had trash OL from time to time.

You don't need an awesome line. But you do need to give your QB either a plathora of skill position players or a great offensive line. You can't be weak on the line and have marginal skill position players. One or two talents isn't enough.
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby Derwood » Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:48 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
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minnesotacubsfan wrote:Why is it teams like Seattle and GB can just plug and play with OL, and the Bears just fumble over themselves?


A lot of that is smoke and mirrors, ask Russell Wilson. Their line has been trash so far this year.

also GB has had trash OL from time to time.

You don't need an awesome line. But you do need to give your QB either a plathora of skill position players or a great offensive line. You can't be weak on the line and have marginal skill position players. One or two talents isn't enough.


GB also has a ton of designed rollouts/moving pockets that mitigate that problem
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Re: Week 3: Bears at Cowboys SNF on NBC

Postby apete6 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:19 pm

Derwood wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
apete6 wrote:
A lot of that is smoke and mirrors, ask Russell Wilson. Their line has been trash so far this year.

also GB has had trash OL from time to time.

You don't need an awesome line. But you do need to give your QB either a plathora of skill position players or a great offensive line. You can't be weak on the line and have marginal skill position players. One or two talents isn't enough.


GB also has a ton of designed rollouts/moving pockets that mitigate that problem


As does Seattle. Mike Martz did none of that with Cutler and he paid the price, Trestman and Gase did a decent job of keeping him alive with moving pockets. So far, Loggains hasn't done that much, though Hoyer seemed to be on the move a bit more this past week.
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