The 2018-2019 Cubs Offseason Rumors & Discussion Thread - "On wrongs swift vengeance waits..."

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Postby Backtobanks » Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:31 pm

Bull wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:Too many players involved to happen, but here goes:

Cubs get Leake, Gordon, and Elias plus $3 million in 2019 and $12 million in 2020
Mariners get Happ, Chatwood, Duensing, Kintzler

Money is basically even in 2019 & 2020.
2021 Cubs have $5 million buyout on Leake and $1 million buyout on Gordon, Elias & Happ are both in arbitration.

Not too many players, just too few teams.



Why complicate matters when we can get rid of Chatwood, Duensing, and Kintzler in one trade while picking up a #5 starter, a solid lefty, and a speedy utility guy without spending any more of PTR money.
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Postby JennieGarthAlgar » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:14 pm

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2522 ... ris-bryant

Open to trading KB? What the actual horsefeathers is happening
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Postby Agony and Ivy » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:15 pm

JennieGarthAlgar wrote:http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25226392/chicago-cubs-open-trading-3b-kris-bryant

Open to trading KB? What the actual horsefeathers is happening


Nothing. Theo has always said nobody is untouchable and this is fake news. Someone should take Olney's Wrigley hard pass away.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:15 pm

JennieGarthAlgar wrote:http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25226392/chicago-cubs-open-trading-3b-kris-bryant

Open to trading KB? What the actual horsefeathers is happening

Yeah I’m calling BS on that. Didn’t Theo basically shut down the same report from Kaplan or one of the other local idiots a month ago?
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Postby Bull » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:17 pm

Backtobanks wrote:
Bull wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:Too many players involved to happen, but here goes:

Cubs get Leake, Gordon, and Elias plus $3 million in 2019 and $12 million in 2020
Mariners get Happ, Chatwood, Duensing, Kintzler

Money is basically even in 2019 & 2020.
2021 Cubs have $5 million buyout on Leake and $1 million buyout on Gordon, Elias & Happ are both in arbitration.

Not too many players, just too few teams.



Why complicate matters when we can get rid of Chatwood, Duensing, and Kintzler in one trade while picking up a #5 starter, a solid lefty, and a speedy utility guy without spending any more of PTR money.


Just a bow to your legendary three team trade proposals of yesteryear.
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Postby Brian707 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:33 pm

JennieGarthAlgar wrote:http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25226392/chicago-cubs-open-trading-3b-kris-bryant

Open to trading KB? What the actual horsefeathers is happening



KB and Bryce will be playing together in Philly. :lol:
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:35 pm

I decided I won't believe the Cubs austerity rumors unless/until Boras starts ripping ownership publicly for failing to "act like a big market team."
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:37 pm

This is obviously just the part of the movie where our protagonists seem down and out. Training montage coming up!
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Postby Bertz » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:39 pm

This is almost surely nonsense. The only two ways it makes sense to trade Bryant are if the team believes his shoulder is borked, but in a way that would not show up in a post trade physical, or if his lack of clutch is a real thing and not just dumb noise. Both things are exceedingly unlikely.

It would make the offseason really interesting though in a nerdy baseball mogul kind of sense. Freeing his salary would probably let you afford Harper/Machado even if we're poor. On top of that you could get back essentially anything you wanted in exchange, so you can address the cracks in the roster in a much more targeted way than FA typically allows. And Epstein is maybe the only guy in the league with the cachet that an owner would allow him to do something like this.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:40 pm

So nobody needs to give clicks. Theo literally said this about KB in the article

”Given what we're trying to accomplish, it would be virtually impossible to envision the deal that would make sense to move them. I just don't believe in untouchables. Why limit yourself?”


So it was the old, player wasn’t listed as untouchable so they must be making him available click bait article.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:43 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:So nobody needs to give clicks. Theo literally said this about KB in the article

”Given what we're trying to accomplish, it would be virtually impossible to envision the deal that would make sense to move them. I just don't believe in untouchables. Why limit yourself?”


So it was the old, player wasn’t listed as untouchable so they must be making him available click bait article.


Not exactly. There were "sources" that the Cubs had expressed a willingness to trade Bryant, *then* when asked about it, Epstein gave the generic "nobody is untouchable" quote.

How serious is that willingness? Nobody really knows either way.
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Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:47 pm

Theo/Jed says something or indicates something we like = 100 percent telling the truth.
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Theo/Jed says something or indicates something we don't like = Not true. Just playing around. Going to sign Bryce soon.
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Not saying it will happen, but the Cubs coming back from a 3-1 deficit to win the World Series does seem like the appropriate way to cap off this season and make the 30-for-30 even better.

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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:47 pm

The important thing to remember is that every offseason report that contradicts anything we assumed we knew before the offseason is obviously wrong.
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Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:49 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:So nobody needs to give clicks. Theo literally said this about KB in the article

”Given what we're trying to accomplish, it would be virtually impossible to envision the deal that would make sense to move them. I just don't believe in untouchables. Why limit yourself?”


So it was the old, player wasn’t listed as untouchable so they must be making him available click bait article.


Not exactly. There were "sources" that the Cubs had expressed a willingness to trade Bryant, *then* when asked about it, Epstein gave the generic "nobody is untouchable" quote.

How serious is that willingness? Nobody really knows either way.


Yup. You can decide if you want to trust Buster's sources or not, and the headline for sure is a way to get people to read (the horror), but not sure there is any incorrect news here.
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Not saying it will happen, but the Cubs coming back from a 3-1 deficit to win the World Series does seem like the appropriate way to cap off this season and make the 30-for-30 even better.

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Postby Brian » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:53 pm

If they said Bryant was untouchable under any circumstances people would react negatively as well.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:24 pm

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:Theo/Jed says something or indicates something we like = 100 percent telling the truth.
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Theo/Jed says something or indicates something we don't like = Not true. Just playing around. Going to sign Bryce soon.


Don't be willfully obtuse, it's a really bad look.
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Postby David » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:29 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:Theo/Jed says something or indicates something we like = 100 percent telling the truth.
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Theo/Jed says something or indicates something we don't like = Not true. Just playing around. Going to sign Bryce soon.


Don't be willfully obtuse, it's a really bad look.


BDB/PWC's doom bonering game has been highly underrated here since like 2015...maybe because it's always masked/softened with something like "but I don't know as much as you guys so I hope you're right" or "don't get me wrong, i really want < good thing> to happen, but"
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:29 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:This is obviously just the part of the movie where our protagonists seem down and out. Training montage coming up!


Nagging, career-curtailing injury immediately follows.
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Postby David » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:31 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:This is obviously just the part of the movie where our protagonists seem down and out. Training montage coming up!


Nagging, career-curtailing injury immediately follows.


or we could go with:

prior rolling around on the ground grabbing on his shoulder

sammy's helmet exploding

d-lee's wrist

nomar grabbing his crotch

kb's slide (did we actually see this happen?)
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:33 pm

David wrote:kb's slide (did we actually see this happen?)


Yeah. It was weird:

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Postby The_Achiever » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:36 pm

I still don't believe the slide excuse for KB. His swing has always looked ouchy for his front side/shoulder, with that high finish on balls he doesn't make contact with.

I don't know what happened with the two-handed finish, I like that much better.
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Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:52 pm

David wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:Theo/Jed says something or indicates something we like = 100 percent telling the truth.
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Theo/Jed says something or indicates something we don't like = Not true. Just playing around. Going to sign Bryce soon.


Don't be willfully obtuse, it's a really bad look.


BDB/PWC's doom bonering game has been highly underrated here since like 2015...maybe because it's always masked/softened with something like "but I don't know as much as you guys so I hope you're right" or "don't get me wrong, i really want < good thing> to happen, but"


You don't even watch baseball anymore until the playoffs because you're too cool, so I don't give a horsefeathers what you think.
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Not saying it will happen, but the Cubs coming back from a 3-1 deficit to win the World Series does seem like the appropriate way to cap off this season and make the 30-for-30 even better.

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Postby David » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:55 pm

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:
David wrote:
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Don't be willfully obtuse, it's a really bad look.


BDB/PWC's doom bonering game has been highly underrated here since like 2015...maybe because it's always masked/softened with something like "but I don't know as much as you guys so I hope you're right" or "don't get me wrong, i really want < good thing> to happen, but"


You don't even watch baseball anymore until the playoffs because you're too cool, so I don't give a horsefeathers what you think.


you've confused "don't really get emotional about a game" with "don't even watch"

i'll have you know i wasted plenty of hours watching regular season cubs in 2018
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:00 pm

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:
David wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Don't be willfully obtuse, it's a really bad look.


BDB/PWC's doom bonering game has been highly underrated here since like 2015...maybe because it's always masked/softened with something like "but I don't know as much as you guys so I hope you're right" or "don't get me wrong, i really want < good thing> to happen, but"


You don't even watch baseball anymore until the playoffs because you're too cool, so I don't give a horsefeathers what you think.

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:03 pm

David wrote:you've confused "don't really get emotional about a game" with "don't even watch"

i'll have you know i wasted plenty of hours watching regular season cubs in 2018


Dude, you kinda just dunked all over yourself.
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