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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:22 pm



I can’t see him taking 4/5 years unless he’s literally getting $45-50+ mil a year (which just doesn’t seem possible). He’d be leaving too much money on the table. Someone (hopefully us) will eventually go 9-12 years in the low to mid $30s on aav.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Backtobanks » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:05 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1076237841976430592?s=20

I can’t see him taking 4/5 years unless he’s literally getting $45-50+ mil a year (which just doesn’t seem possible). He’d be leaving too much money on the table. Someone (hopefully us) will eventually go 9-12 years in the low to mid $30s on aav.


If there's an opt out in those 4/5 years, he might think about it with all that money up front and still be able to become a FA at 29 years old. Then again he might take the deal without opt outs since he would only be 30/31 years old with a lot of earning potential still ahead of him.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Bluescale » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:13 pm

Backtobanks wrote:If there's an opt out in those 4/5 years, he might think about it with all that money up front and still be able to become a FA at 29 years old. Then again he might take the deal without opt outs since he would only be 30/31 years old with a lot of earning potential still ahead of him.


I'll be shocked if he takes a contract without opt outs. It's the mega contract thing to do these days. Short, long, it doesn't matter. Unless they're paying him like $60M a year or something.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:17 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1076237841976430592?s=20

I can’t see him taking 4/5 years unless he’s literally getting $45-50+ mil a year (which just doesn’t seem possible). He’d be leaving too much money on the table. Someone (hopefully us) will eventually go 9-12 years in the low to mid $30s on aav.


If there's an opt out in those 4/5 years, he might think about it with all that money up front and still be able to become a FA at 29 years old. Then again he might take the deal without opt outs since he would only be 30/31 years old with a lot of earning potential still ahead of him.

He’s going to get opt outs in the 8-12 year deal too, that guarantees and secures him more money and allows him to hit FA around 29/30 as well. It just makes no sense for the 4/5 year deal unless he’s literally getting $50 mil a year.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Backtobanks » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:59 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
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Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1076237841976430592?s=20

I can’t see him taking 4/5 years unless he’s literally getting $45-50+ mil a year (which just doesn’t seem possible). He’d be leaving too much money on the table. Someone (hopefully us) will eventually go 9-12 years in the low to mid $30s on aav.


If there's an opt out in those 4/5 years, he might think about it with all that money up front and still be able to become a FA at 29 years old. Then again he might take the deal without opt outs since he would only be 30/31 years old with a lot of earning potential still ahead of him.

He’s going to get opt outs in the 8-12 year deal too, that guarantees and secures him more money and allows him to hit FA around 29/30 as well. It just makes no sense for the 4/5 year deal unless he’s literally getting $50 mil a year.



Harper made a point of wanting to be the highest paid player in MLB. If that doesn't happen with the long term offers, he could justify it by saying he had the highest average annual salary (for a shorter term).
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:07 pm

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If there's an opt out in those 4/5 years, he might think about it with all that money up front and still be able to become a FA at 29 years old. Then again he might take the deal without opt outs since he would only be 30/31 years old with a lot of earning potential still ahead of him.

He’s going to get opt outs in the 8-12 year deal too, that guarantees and secures him more money and allows him to hit FA around 29/30 as well. It just makes no sense for the 4/5 year deal unless he’s literally getting $50 mil a year.



Harper made a point of wanting to be the highest paid player in MLB. If that doesn't happen with the long term offers, he could justify it by saying he had the highest average annual salary (for a shorter term).

Well then he’s a horsefeathering idiot for leaving $100-200 million guaranteed on the table by taking a 4/5 year deal, since the long term deal will allow him to hit FA again with opt outs as already mentioned.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:24 pm

Straight up - Harper is not taking a 4-5 year deal.* As CW11 mentioned, he is leaving a horsefeathers ton of money ($150-200 million) on the table by doing that.

*Unless someone is throwing $60-75 million a year on the table
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Backtobanks » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:43 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
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Cubswin11 wrote:He’s going to get opt outs in the 8-12 year deal too, that guarantees and secures him more money and allows him to hit FA around 29/30 as well. It just makes no sense for the 4/5 year deal unless he’s literally getting $50 mil a year.



Harper made a point of wanting to be the highest paid player in MLB. If that doesn't happen with the long term offers, he could justify it by saying he had the highest average annual salary (for a shorter term).

Well then he’s a horsefeathering idiot for leaving $100-200 million guaranteed on the table by taking a 4/5 year deal, since the long term deal will allow him to hit FA again with opt outs as already mentioned.


The discussion is all hypothetical about what he would receive (long term or short term). Since we being hypothetical, if his best offer was $300/10 yrs (with opt outs) I could see him accepting accepting $200 million/5 yrs (with opt outs) and hitting FA again at 28/29 years old when salaries have increased with new money floating around (i.e. Cubs network).
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:51 am

Backtobanks wrote:
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Harper made a point of wanting to be the highest paid player in MLB. If that doesn't happen with the long term offers, he could justify it by saying he had the highest average annual salary (for a shorter term).

Well then he’s a horsefeathering idiot for leaving $100-200 million guaranteed on the table by taking a 4/5 year deal, since the long term deal will allow him to hit FA again with opt outs as already mentioned.


The discussion is all hypothetical about what he would receive (long term or short term). Since we being hypothetical, if his best offer was $300/10 yrs (with opt outs) I could see him accepting accepting $200 million/5 yrs (with opt outs) and hitting FA again at 28/29 years old when salaries have increased with new money floating around (i.e. Cubs network).

I can’t see him leaving $100 mil on the table just to make ~$30 more million with the 4/5 year contract. That’s too risky and he still gets the opt out chance to hit another big deal and securing more guaranteed money in the event something goes wrong by going 10/300 over 5/200.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Backtobanks » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:17 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
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Cubswin11 wrote:Well then he’s a horsefeathering idiot for leaving $100-200 million guaranteed on the table by taking a 4/5 year deal, since the long term deal will allow him to hit FA again with opt outs as already mentioned.


The discussion is all hypothetical about what he would receive (long term or short term). Since we being hypothetical, if his best offer was $300/10 yrs (with opt outs) I could see him accepting accepting $200 million/5 yrs (with opt outs) and hitting FA again at 28/29 years old when salaries have increased with new money floating around (i.e. Cubs network).

I can’t see him leaving $100 mil on the table just to make ~$30 more million with the 4/5 year contract. That’s too risky and he still gets the opt out chance to hit another big deal and securing more guaranteed money in the event something goes wrong by going 10/300 over 5/200.



I totally get it, but let's not forget we have egos (Harper and Boras) involved and all of the talk/hype about $400 million and the highest paid player in MLB history. If the best offer is $300 million/10 yrs (hypothetically), they might have some explaining to do. It certainly would be a nice situation to be in, kind of like deciding if you want the 20 year payments or the lump sum payment after winning the mega-millions lottery.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby ConstableRabbit » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:48 am

Backtobanks wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
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Harper made a point of wanting to be the highest paid player in MLB. If that doesn't happen with the long term offers, he could justify it by saying he had the highest average annual salary (for a shorter term).

Well then he’s a horsefeathering idiot for leaving $100-200 million guaranteed on the table by taking a 4/5 year deal, since the long term deal will allow him to hit FA again with opt outs as already mentioned.


The discussion is all hypothetical about what he would receive (long term or short term). Since we being hypothetical, if his best offer was $300/10 yrs (with opt outs) I could see him accepting accepting $200 million/5 yrs (with opt outs) and hitting FA again at 28/29 years old when salaries have increased with new money floating around (i.e. Cubs network).

I get that the millions make it harder to understand, but without knowing your income, if your boss guaranteed you that you’d make $100k per year pretty much no matter what for 10 years, and then another company offered you $133k per year for 4 years, would you really consider the second offer if the jobs were the same?
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Bull » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:28 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:
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Cubswin11 wrote:Well then he’s a horsefeathering idiot for leaving $100-200 million guaranteed on the table by taking a 4/5 year deal, since the long term deal will allow him to hit FA again with opt outs as already mentioned.


The discussion is all hypothetical about what he would receive (long term or short term). Since we being hypothetical, if his best offer was $300/10 yrs (with opt outs) I could see him accepting accepting $200 million/5 yrs (with opt outs) and hitting FA again at 28/29 years old when salaries have increased with new money floating around (i.e. Cubs network).

I get that the millions make it harder to understand, but without knowing your income, if your boss guaranteed you that you’d make $100k per year pretty much no matter what for 10 years, and then another company offered you $133k per year for 4 years, would you really consider the second offer if the jobs were the same?

Absolutely. In fact, I’ve made that decision.

But I’m not a world class athlete whose career could be irreparably derailed by a poorly timed hangnail. Your point stands, but the broad brushed painting here doesn’t do the question justice. These guys are different.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby NonProfitCow » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:29 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:I get that the millions make it harder to understand, but without knowing your income, if your boss guaranteed you that you’d make $100k per year pretty much no matter what for 10 years, and then another company offered you $133k per year for 4 years, would you really consider the second offer if the jobs were the same?

Don't compare regular jobs with MLB.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby jersey cubs fan » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:33 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Well then he’s a horsefeathering idiot for leaving $100-200 million guaranteed on the table by taking a 4/5 year deal, since the long term deal will allow him to hit FA again with opt outs as already mentioned.


The discussion is all hypothetical about what he would receive (long term or short term). Since we being hypothetical, if his best offer was $300/10 yrs (with opt outs) I could see him accepting accepting $200 million/5 yrs (with opt outs) and hitting FA again at 28/29 years old when salaries have increased with new money floating around (i.e. Cubs network).

I get that the millions make it harder to understand, but without knowing your income, if your boss guaranteed you that you’d make $100k per year pretty much no matter what for 10 years, and then another company offered you $133k per year for 4 years, would you really consider the second offer if the jobs were the same?

Yes, no question. But that job won't become unhaveable when I turn 40, so not a real comparison.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby Backtobanks » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:44 am

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ConstableRabbit wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:
The discussion is all hypothetical about what he would receive (long term or short term). Since we being hypothetical, if his best offer was $300/10 yrs (with opt outs) I could see him accepting accepting $200 million/5 yrs (with opt outs) and hitting FA again at 28/29 years old when salaries have increased with new money floating around (i.e. Cubs network).

I get that the millions make it harder to understand, but without knowing your income, if your boss guaranteed you that you’d make $100k per year pretty much no matter what for 10 years, and then another company offered you $133k per year for 4 years, would you really consider the second offer if the jobs were the same?

Yes, no question. But that job won't become unhaveable when I turn 40, so not a real comparison.


Yeah, not really a comparison when 1-2 years of $40million sets you, your kids, and your grandchildren up for life.
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Re: The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Postby ConstableRabbit » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:08 pm

NonProfitCow wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:I get that the millions make it harder to understand, but without knowing your income, if your boss guaranteed you that you’d make $100k per year pretty much no matter what for 10 years, and then another company offered you $133k per year for 4 years, would you really consider the second offer if the jobs were the same?

Don't compare regular jobs with MLB.

I generally agree; it was an exercise to make the numbers more real.

In actuality, the closest analogy to MLB salaries is probably executive compensation. Large numbers and public pay packages make the pay more of a measuring stick against peers (“If he’s getting *that*, I’m definitely worth at least as much”) vs. absolute “I need this much money to live”
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Postby Banedon » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:55 pm

Phil is pretty useless but posting in the interest of thoroughness.

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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:44 pm

No idea if this is speculation or something Theo truly asked

https://www.federalbaseball.com/2018/12 ... adam-eaton
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Postby Banedon » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:51 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:No idea if this is speculation or something Theo truly asked

https://www.federalbaseball.com/2018/12 ... adam-eaton


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Postby Backtobanks » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:58 pm

Banedon wrote:Phil is pretty useless but posting in the interest of thoroughness.




Avoid the bidding war and being used to drive the price up. Find out the best offer and then go to PTR to see if he'll beat/match it.
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Postby UMFan83 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:18 pm



Sure it’s just another troll job
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:49 pm

If we really need to move salary to pull this off, signing Darcish was a franchise-changing mistake
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Postby d_money » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:26 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:If we really need to move salary to pull this off, signing Darcish was a franchise-changing mistake

Darvish, too.
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Postby Tim » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:33 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:If we really need to move salary to pull this off, signing Darcish was a franchise-changing mistake

You know, unless:

1) they move salary to pull it off
2) Darvish is healthy and producing as expected
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