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The Bryce is Right, Bitch

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:49 pm
by David

Re: Winter Meetings Thread (?)

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:59 pm
by Banedon
David wrote:


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Re: Winter Meetings Thread (?)

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:16 pm
by Bryant's Disco Ball
Banedon wrote:
David wrote:


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Although Harper will be younger when he hits free agency than Bryant will be, I think this probably is a good starting point to what Boras will be asking for if the Cubs hope to extend Bryant before he becomes a free agent.

Re: Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:16 pm
by CaliforniaRaisin
David wrote:


Actual working link since apparently Bob Nightengale doesn't know how twitter works: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ml ... /94999440/

Harper, according to the executive, is asking for a record deal that will exceed 10 years in length, and likely pay him in excess of $400 million.

Re: Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:20 pm
by UMFan83
He's so ours

2019 Cubs

Contreras, C
Rizzo, 1B
Baez, 2B
Russell, SS
Bryant, 3B
Schwarber, LF
Almora, CF
Harper, RF

Lester
Hendricks
Ohtani
WhoCares
WeWin

Bench: Not Heyward because Theo's thugs that put Hammel on bereavement list force him to opt out.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:21 pm
by Derwood
Gross, not for those dollars

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:27 pm
by TomtheBombadil
<3 Harper

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:34 pm
by Tryptamine
Derwood wrote:Gross, not for those dollars


He's going to show himself to be a lot more 2015 Harper and a lot less 2016 if he wants to sniff that number.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:34 pm
by Cubswin11
Derwood wrote:Gross, not for those dollars

He'll be worth it or come damn near close and probably have an opt out around age 31 season

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:38 pm
by David
Cubswin11 wrote:
Derwood wrote:Gross, not for those dollars

He'll be worth it or come damn near close and probably have an opt out around age 31 season


He was worth almost twice as much in 2015, haha.

About 70% as much in a down year in 2016.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:48 pm
by Cubswin11
I think a good part of this is the Nationals "negotiating" through the media a bit, if that's what you want to call it. They know/knew about how much it would take, there were a ton of articles last year saying Bryce would/could be the first $500+ million contract on top of them seemingly planning for it by going with the payment schedule to Scherzer and Strasburg (I think they did it with his too) that pay them well beyond their playing days. On top of this being 2 years away. He'll definitely hit FA and isn't signing anything early but they know the likely cost.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:05 pm
by UMFan83
David wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
Derwood wrote:Gross, not for those dollars

He'll be worth it or come damn near close and probably have an opt out around age 31 season


He was worth almost twice as much in 2015, haha.

About 70% as much in a down year in 2016.


It will be interesting to see if or how the value of a win changes with the new CBA and its unofficial salary cap

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:36 am
by MUCubsfan
I'd love to have Harper in a Cubs uniform just as much as everyone else, but at 40M a year? I don't see it. If Heyward sticks around, you'd have 100M between him, Lester, Zobrist and Harper. KB, Addy, Hendricks and Baez are all going to be in year two of arbitration in 2019. Schwarber and Edwards (potential closer dollars) in year one.

I just can't see the Cubs committing such a massive chunk of payroll to one guy when they have so many guys that could start to get really, really expensive very quickly.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:38 am
by Derwood
That length/AAV for a contract is potentially crippling if it goes bad. I don't think Harper is as much of a sure thing as Trout, and I'm not even sure he's a whole lot better than KB going forward

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:38 am
by Tim
You forgot Otani.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:40 am
by David
Derwood wrote:That length/AAV for a contract is potentially crippling if it goes bad. I don't think Harper is as much of a sure thing as Trout, and I'm not even sure he's a whole lot better than KB going forward


not to say anything of harper, but pretty much nothing is going to be potentially crippling to the cubs financially anywhere in the near or long term.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:43 am
by Derwood
David wrote:
Derwood wrote:That length/AAV for a contract is potentially crippling if it goes bad. I don't think Harper is as much of a sure thing as Trout, and I'm not even sure he's a whole lot better than KB going forward


not to say anything of harper, but pretty much nothing is going to be potentially crippling to the cubs financially anywhere in the near or long term.


Every team has its limits

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:46 am
by David
Derwood wrote:
David wrote:
Derwood wrote:That length/AAV for a contract is potentially crippling if it goes bad. I don't think Harper is as much of a sure thing as Trout, and I'm not even sure he's a whole lot better than KB going forward


not to say anything of harper, but pretty much nothing is going to be potentially crippling to the cubs financially anywhere in the near or long term.


Every team has its limits


they're pretty much non existent when you have as much surplus value as they cubs do (though they're going to have to pay up for pitching) tied up in cost controlled players, a huge windfall in TV money coming when the team is the most popular it's ever been, and the cherry on top of a sellout everyday at the league's highest ticket prices.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:50 am
by Cubswin11
David wrote:
Derwood wrote:
David wrote:
not to say anything of harper, but pretty much nothing is going to be potentially crippling to the cubs financially anywhere in the near or long term.


Every team has its limits


they're pretty much non existent when you have as much surplus value as they cubs do (though they're going to have to pay up for pitching) tied up in cost controlled players, a huge windfall in TV money coming when the team is the most popular it's ever been, and the cherry on top of a sellout everyday at the league's highest ticket prices.

There's also savants running this team from a business and operational stand point along with a [expletive] Ricketts in the White House. There are no limits

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:08 am
by Ding Dong Johnson
Tim wrote:You forgot Otani.

whatever happened to her after SNL?

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:49 am
by CubinNY
cue Yankees.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:54 am
by TomtheBombadil
TomtheBombadil wrote:It's cool because the Cubs will get Otani and probably one of Trout/Kershaw.


Should say Trout/Lindor

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:19 am
by We Got The Whole 9
Philly is a real dark horse. They have a ton of young talent and a 30m payroll right now. They have as much potential as NYY does to go hogwild in FA at any given time.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:03 am
by Gmoney08
TomtheBombadil wrote:
CubinNY wrote:cue Yankees.


Yeah, I think everything they're doing is setting up for Harper and Machado.

It's cool because the Cubs will get Otani and probably one of Trout/Kershaw.


horsefeathers pitchers but ill take Trout.

Re: THE Bryce Harper in 2018 Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:32 am
by MarkR
This seems like a major pipe dream to me. Great player no doubt, but I have almost zero interest in him at his proposed price point. Regardless of how much money is printed at Wrigley, the Cubs aren't going to launch their payroll into the stratosphere and into the nasty tax range. If you're expecting that, I'd wager you're going to be disappointed.