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Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:16 am
by CubsWin
It comes down to Szczur or La Stella for the final bench spot. I like Matt for the speed he can bring as a PR, increasinly solid bat, defense and his all-around great guyness, but I just can't see the Cubs keeping him due to the depth the have in the OF. Schwarber, Heyward, Jay, Almora, Zobrist and Bryant provide 6 capable OFers for 3 positions (with Szczur that would be 7 and that's overkill), while without La Stella, the Cubs would have 5 infielders for 4 positions.

Is Szczur being released or traded a foregone conclusion? If so, given the lack of leverage the Cubs have with him, can they get anything in a trade for him? He's known quantity and is looking good this spring.

If he's simply released, that would open up a 40-man roster spot. It seems increasingly likely that Caleb Smith will either be returned to the Yankees or a minor trade will be made to keep him. (Szczur for Smith?) If he's sent back, that would open up another spot.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs add a veteran defense-first catcher to the 40-man so they don't have to bring up Caratini in case of an injury. Corporan and Ali Solis are in-house options but are either above average defensively?

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:18 am
by jersey cubs fan
I hope not, I know people who know him.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:30 am
by Transmogrified Tiger
I would guess that Szczur probably loses out and gets DFA'd, with Almora on the roster he's pretty redundant, and his specific skills(bench RH bat, CF defender) are duplicated by others outside Almora. Happ's showing this spring also illustrates he has competition coming behind him. Also I can't imagine that too many teams are going to scramble to find room on their 25 man roster for Szczur at the start of the season, he's already basically at his ceiling and it's a 4th/5th OF, so the risk isn't that significant.

As far as 3rd catcher goes, I'm not familiar with Corporan as a defender, but statistically he's a shade below average at throwing runners out, and he's consistently been an above average framer. That seems fine for a AAA replacement, especially since the team seems to think Schwarber might catch at least a handful of games too.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:43 am
by davell
I think that IF Szczur goes, we'll get SOMETHING for him. Either a low level arm with some semblance of upside(Erling Moreno type in a different system) or an up and down reliever(Felix Pena type).

He's a pretty decent player. I think he'd be a lock on most MLB teams 25 man, so I do think there'd be a decent amount of interest in him.

That being said, my guess is we'll find a mysterious injury to DL him or someone else actually needs a DL stint. Realistically, I just doubt its going to be THAT hard juggling our position guys. Especially if we don't keep Caleb Smith.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:51 am
by Cubswin11
Yeah even though I'm not a fan of La Stella, Szczur is far more replaceable/redundant so he's likely the odd man out. Hopefully nobody claims him and we keep him but if gets DFA'd and someone claims him, oh well. La Stella could be in a similar spot next year if Happ (specifically) and Jeimer continue to improve and aren't traded, they will/could likely push La Stella off the roster as the last man on the bench/back up infielder.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:54 pm
by Schwarber Fan
What are the chances Andreoli passes Szczur on the depth chart?

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:01 pm
by NOLA
Tony Campana brought Erick Leal+. Just sayin'.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:21 pm
by davell
Heyward Fan wrote:What are the chances Andreoli passes Szczur on the depth chart?


About the same as you staying rational in the game threads.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:23 pm
by Tim
davell wrote:I think that IF Szczur goes, we'll get SOMETHING for him. Either a low level arm with some semblance of upside(Erling Moreno type in a different system) or an up and down reliever(Felix Pena type).

He's a pretty decent player. I think he'd be a lock on most MLB teams 25 man, so I do think there'd be a decent amount of interest in him.

That being said, my guess is we'll find a mysterious injury to DL him or someone else actually needs a DL stint. Realistically, I just doubt its going to be THAT hard juggling our position guys. Especially if we don't keep Caleb Smith.

I'm guessing that with the changes to the DL rule this year that we'll make liberal use of it to juggle guys and keep them around.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:35 pm
by Schwarber Fan
davell wrote:
Heyward Fan wrote:What are the chances Andreoli passes Szczur on the depth chart?


About the same as you staying rational in the game threads.


Well, thanks for taking the high road.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:56 pm
by Duke Silver
It'd be a lot easier for me if Szczur were the infielder and LaStella the outfielder. Not that I don't like Seal Boy. He seems like a decent guy. And he's a nice hitter. But the whole quitting thing, combined with Szczur being so selfless, with his bone marrow and underwear alike... it's not a difficult decision based on likability.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:58 pm
by davell
Heyward Fan wrote:
davell wrote:
Heyward Fan wrote:What are the chances Andreoli passes Szczur on the depth chart?


About the same as you staying rational in the game threads.


Well, thanks for taking the high road.


Dude, you make fun of yourself in the game threads, knowing you say irrational stuff. Its expected. The shock of you not doing that is no different than Andreoli taking Szczur's spot, in my mind.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:40 am
by Bull
davell wrote:
Heyward Fan wrote:
davell wrote:
About the same as you staying rational in the game threads.


Well, thanks for taking the high road.


Dude, you make fun of yourself in the game threads, knowing you say irrational stuff. Its expected. The shock of you not doing that is no different than Andreoli taking Szczur's spot, in my mind.


Actually I think its pretty likely Andreoli takes Szczur's spot.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:45 am
by David
Bull wrote:
davell wrote:
Heyward Fan wrote:
Well, thanks for taking the high road.


Dude, you make fun of yourself in the game threads, knowing you say irrational stuff. Its expected. The shock of you not doing that is no different than Andreoli taking Szczur's spot, in my mind.


Actually I think its pretty likely Andreoli takes Szczur's spot.


if szczur doesn't make the team (prob won't), it'll be for lastella

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:54 am
by davell
Bull wrote:
davell wrote:
Heyward Fan wrote:
Well, thanks for taking the high road.


Dude, you make fun of yourself in the game threads, knowing you say irrational stuff. Its expected. The shock of you not doing that is no different than Andreoli taking Szczur's spot, in my mind.


Actually I think its pretty likely Andreoli takes Szczur's spot.


I don't think its going to be hard to keep Szczur hidden, if we have to. And even though Andreoli did hit in the WBC, he's likely just a AAAA guy. He's not on the 40 man for a reason most likely. Even as a 25th guy, I doubt our FO wants to risk a downgrade.

OTOH, I guess its possible a team "could" look at Andreoli as a modest trade option and values his non rostering and the extra control. If anything, maybe he's the one they move, IMO.(not much of a return obviously)

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:59 am
by Bull
David wrote:
Bull wrote:
davell wrote:
Dude, you make fun of yourself in the game threads, knowing you say irrational stuff. Its expected. The shock of you not doing that is no different than Andreoli taking Szczur's spot, in my mind.


Actually I think its pretty likely Andreoli takes Szczur's spot.


if szczur doesn't make the team (prob won't), it'll be for lastella

Yep. and Andreoli gets put on the 40 man and kept in AAA only to see real ML playing time if someone rips their leg off.

Basically Szczur's spot.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:21 am
by Post Count Padder
I really like Sxczur (and it also feels like he's been in the organization forever) but without options and guys like Rademacher and Andreoli in Iowa, it makes sense that he'd be a goner.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:39 am
by We Got The Whole 9
Cubs Den just had this debate recently and the jist was that Andreoli really can't play CF and with the glut of corner OF we already have, he's probably never gonna get that opportunity with us. We exposed him to the R5 twice and nobody claimed him even though he looks like a serviceable backup. With teams going with more pitchers in today's game, the 5th OF is being phased out. Add the fact that hes a RH and hes got a couple big strikes against him. This is why Hannemann was protected over both he and Rademacher.

I like Andreoli and Rademacher and I'll be intrigued to watch their careers develop. Just not sure it will happen with the Cubs.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:43 am
by We Got The Whole 9

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:22 am
by Transmogrified Tiger
Andreoli is cannon fodder, it's Zagunis who takes up Szczur's mantle as a RH reserve OF

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:25 am
by bd811
Andreoli will probably never see the 25-man, but inability to play CF doesn't strike me as a huge disadvantage for anyone looking for a role as the Cubs 5th outfielder. Almora, Jay, Heyward, and even KB can play there if needed. The 5th outfielder can just be a corner OF capable of putting together quality PAs.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:23 pm
by Bull
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Andreoli is cannon fodder, it's Zagunis who takes up Szczur's mantle as a RH reserve OF

Why put Zagunis on the 40 man before you have to?
You have 4 quality outfielders on the major league team and a Javy Baez that can push 2 more there. The 5th outfielder, Iowa shuttle guy is supposed to be someone who gets no playing time, admittedly more like last year's Kawasaki than Szczur. Unless someone loses a leg again.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:18 pm
by biittner77
Bull wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Andreoli is cannon fodder, it's Zagunis who takes up Szczur's mantle as a RH reserve OF

Why put Zagunis on the 40 man before you have to?
You have 4 quality outfielders on the major league team and a Javy Baez that can push 2 more there. The 5th outfielder, Iowa shuttle guy is supposed to be someone who gets no playing time, admittedly more like last year's Kawasaki than Szczur. Unless someone loses a leg again.


Zagunis is just a guy, why wait? It's not like he's Ian Happ and the Cubs care about starting his option clock.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:58 pm
by davell


Something like this is always a possibility, but I think we'd find teams willing to give us more of a Campania type package for him.

Re: Is Szczur Gone & 40-Man Roster Discussion

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:28 pm
by Transmogrified Tiger
Bull wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Andreoli is cannon fodder, it's Zagunis who takes up Szczur's mantle as a RH reserve OF

Why put Zagunis on the 40 man before you have to?
You have 4 quality outfielders on the major league team and a Javy Baez that can push 2 more there. The 5th outfielder, Iowa shuttle guy is supposed to be someone who gets no playing time, admittedly more like last year's Kawasaki than Szczur. Unless someone loses a leg again.


You don't have to unless the need arises, because Szczur doesn't really belong on the 25 man. The 40 man roster isn't much of an obstacle anyway, if Szczur isn't around there's an open spot, and Andreoli's presence on the 40 man itself proves that it's not stuffed to the gills with quality that you can't easily find space for someone.