Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

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Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:26 am

Talent distribution is also not even.
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Re: Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:23 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Derwood wrote:
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Bryce Harper, though.


I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

me too. it's probably going to be at least 170%
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Re: Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

Postby bcl412 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:36 pm

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
Derwood wrote:
I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

me too. it's probably going to be at least 170%


If we sign Harper....well, probably
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Re: Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:55 pm

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
Derwood wrote:
I'm 100% on the Harper bandwagon, but I appreciate the cost-benefit-analysis of saying Eloy might give you 70% of Harper at 1% of the cost

I would be surprised if Eloy becomes 70% of Harper.

me too. it's probably going to be at least 170%

I think you left off a zero or 7
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Re: Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

Postby StarlinOnYou » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:17 pm

Brian wrote:Even sticking to the last 10 years, 1 1/2 years of Harden equaled no playoff games won and Josh Donaldson went on to win an MVP. It's going to take a lot to top that gulf, but there are two of them to do it.


I’d disagree on the simple notion that at least Harden was viewed as an elite starting pitcher for a while. Quintana was never viewed as an ace. Donaldson was also a catchercoming up and never considered an elite prospect like Eloy is.

This trade has obviously been terrible. Along with the Darvish signing & Chatwood signing. Just a brutal run on pitching acquisitions lately. I don’t know what else to say about the pitching staff.
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Re: Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:21 pm

It just sucks there were no other options available last year to trade Eloy for. Q was the best option and we needed him. I still stand behind the deal as being necessary and the process of it being good, Q needs to be better. And it’s a little ridiculous to call this a complete bust of a trade already.
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Re: Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

Postby StarlinOnYou » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:51 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:It just sucks there were no other options available last year to trade Eloy for. Q was the best option and we needed him. I still stand behind the deal as being necessary and the process of it being good, Q needs to be better. And it’s a little ridiculous to call this a complete bust of a trade already.


Yeah, I keep going back and thinking about how Verlander more or less stated openly he wanted to play here.

Assuming we didn’t have to give up Eloy for him - this teams pitching staff would look entirely different with Verlander and not Q.
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Re: Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:54 pm

StarlinOnYou wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:It just sucks there were no other options available last year to trade Eloy for. Q was the best option and we needed him. I still stand behind the deal as being necessary and the process of it being good, Q needs to be better. And it’s a little ridiculous to call this a complete bust of a trade already.


Yeah, I keep going back and thinking about how Verlander more or less stated openly he wanted to play here.

Assuming we didn’t have to give up Eloy for him - this teams pitching staff would look entirely different with Verlander and not Q.

Yeah that's a big miss looking back on it to do that and not Q, but who knows if Verlander gets the boost here he did in Houston with whatever they are doing with the pitchers there. Verlander has been quite Cobs like going back to about June now, though. 4.06 ERA and 17 dongs in 12 starts going back to June 8.
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