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Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:06 pm

Neuse and Lazardo were both in the Nats Top 10 on MLB.com, FWIW. It seems like it might be comparable to something like Grimm + De La Cruz + Filiere(who can't be traded but if you want to match it up he's the closest I see)? If anything that probably undersells the return, but they did get both Doolittle and Madson so if you were curious about the cost for just Doolittle that might have been it.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:11 pm

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Once again the Cubs pass on an interesting arm (Doolittle) with a cartoonish injury history. Keep it up!
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby davell » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:21 pm

That's a pretty underwhelming return.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby Agony and Ivy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:32 pm

davell wrote:That's a pretty underwhelming return.


I'll bet that was more about Oakland getting out from under the $7.7m they owed Madson next season.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby The Logan » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:37 pm

Good, now Doolittle's name can stop being brought up
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby Agony and Ivy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:39 pm

Agony and Ivy wrote:
davell wrote:That's a pretty underwhelming return.


I'll bet that was more about Oakland getting out from under the $7.7m they owed Madson next season.


But even so, those are two high upside prospects they got back.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:47 pm

davell wrote:That's a pretty underwhelming return.


My first thought too.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:52 pm

Their bullpen will still suck
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:14 pm

Probably equivalent to us giving up Rondon, Candy, Zagunis or something right? For 4 years of Dangling Shoulder and 2 of Madson, that's a hell of a trade for their pen.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby Regular Show » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:30 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
davell wrote:That's a pretty underwhelming return.


My first thought too.


I think this was a smart trade for Was, and not a great return for Oak also. Why didn't they wait till closer to the trade deadline? Were they that worried that Doolittle would get hurt again?

S. Doolittle, when healthy, is very good. Obviously, his injury concerns/history are big worries for any team acquiring him. Still, I like this trade for Was. Hopefully, their bullpen continues to suck because if they fix that problem -- they're pretty damn scary and formidable (manager notwithstanding).
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby Little Slide Rooter » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:18 am

I didn't realize how good Ryan Madson has been since his return from the dead.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby Tryptamine » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:22 am

Regular Show wrote:
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
davell wrote:That's a pretty underwhelming return.


My first thought too.


I think this was a smart trade for Was, and not a great return for Oak also. Why didn't they wait till closer to the trade deadline? Were they that worried that Doolittle would get hurt again?

S. Doolittle, when healthy, is very good. Obviously, his injury concerns/history are big worries for any team acquiring him. Still, I like this trade for Was. Hopefully, their bullpen continues to suck because if they fix that problem -- they're pretty damn scary and formidable (manager notwithstanding).


The man has had 2 nearly career ending shoulder injuries already. How much did people expect him to really fetch? He's a time bomb whose chances of going off before he reaches FA far exceeds the chances he makes it to FA healthy.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby toonsterwu » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:00 am

I like Neuse enough, so this trade seems fine to me. At the end of the day, it was a trade the Nats couldn't pass on. They need all the pen help they can get, and with Ross out, they have to shift options around. Giving up last year's 2nd and 3rd sucks, but is a livable price for them.

Don't think this rules out additional pen moves for them, namely, if Robertson's price comes down.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby CubInOK » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:11 am

So Dusty Baker just got a pitcher that already has a history of injuries? This should go well.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby Post Count Padder » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:28 pm

Nats apparently still want Justin Wilson or another reliever on the market.
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Re: Nats trade for Doolittle and Madson

Postby toonsterwu » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:54 pm

With Orioles selling, wouldn't be surprised if Nats went for someone like Brad Brach, if made available. Still, Brach should be in high demand. I had sorta wondered about Brach as a closer option this winter, but the Orioles were stupidly stubborn (could've moved Brach, moved Givens to setup, still had O'Day).

You know, for all the talk about this being an underwhelming return ... I just don't know why. Treinen was a solid reliever last year, a useful middle reliever if used correctly. Luzardo is an injury arm with high upside, and Neuse looks like he could be a Josh Harrison-esque guy, and while that doesn't sound like much, it's a useful major leaguer. The trade, like the Cubs trade, seems fair to me.
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