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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby davell » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:08 pm



Uh, when did this happen?
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:16 pm

That doesn't sound like a departure in how things have operated for many years, to my knowledge.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby davell » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:50 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:That doesn't sound like a departure in how things have operated for many years, to my knowledge.


Am I reading it wrong? Because I'm taking that to mean teams are automatically going to trial, if they don't have agreements by the 12th. No more coming to meet in the middle a few days before the hearing.....
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:14 pm

From Rosenthal's article on the Athletic, sounds like Padres asked the Cubs about Javy (doesn't sound like we initiated it)....

The Padres balked at the Cubs’ asking price for infielder Javier Baez at the winter meetings, moving on to other pursuits, sources say. The Cubs likely would have wanted a controllable starter such as Luis Perdomo or Dinelson Lamet for Baez, who would have solved the Padres’ need for a long-term shortstop


I'm guessing we asked for Hand as well as one of the starters (because one of those starters alone for Javy doesn't seem like an asking price worth "balking" at).
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby davell » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:30 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:From Rosenthal's article on the Athletic, sounds like Padres asked the Cubs about Javy (doesn't sound like we initiated it)....

The Padres balked at the Cubs’ asking price for infielder Javier Baez at the winter meetings, moving on to other pursuits, sources say. The Cubs likely would have wanted a controllable starter such as Luis Perdomo or Dinelson Lamet for Baez, who would have solved the Padres’ need for a long-term shortstop


I'm guessing we asked for Hand as well as one of the starters (because on of those starters alone for Javy doesn't seem like an asking price worth "balking" at).


Dennis Lin, the Padres beat guy, made it sound we definitely wanted more than just the starter, and mentioned Hand too.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Tryptamine » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:45 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:From Rosenthal's article on the Athletic, sounds like Padres asked the Cubs about Javy (doesn't sound like we initiated it)....

The Padres balked at the Cubs’ asking price for infielder Javier Baez at the winter meetings, moving on to other pursuits, sources say. The Cubs likely would have wanted a controllable starter such as Luis Perdomo or Dinelson Lamet for Baez, who would have solved the Padres’ need for a long-term shortstop


I'm guessing we asked for Hand as well as one of the starters (because on of those starters alone for Javy doesn't seem like an asking price worth "balking" at).


Dennis Lin, the Padres beat guy, made it sound we definitely wanted more than just the starter, and mentioned Hand too.


I mentioned this a while ago, but I would seriously consider Baez for Hand + Gore/Quantrill. I know Gore is super far away, but he has all the makings of being really special. I guess this also means that the Luis Urias at SS experiment is not going so well.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Splendid Splinter » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:54 pm

davell wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:From Rosenthal's article on the Athletic, sounds like Padres asked the Cubs about Javy (doesn't sound like we initiated it)....

The Padres balked at the Cubs’ asking price for infielder Javier Baez at the winter meetings, moving on to other pursuits, sources say. The Cubs likely would have wanted a controllable starter such as Luis Perdomo or Dinelson Lamet for Baez, who would have solved the Padres’ need for a long-term shortstop


I'm guessing we asked for Hand as well as one of the starters (because on of those starters alone for Javy doesn't seem like an asking price worth "balking" at).


Dennis Lin, the Padres beat guy, made it sound we definitely wanted more than just the starter, and mentioned Hand too.


And for all you Javy Baez fans out there, Rosenthal has this to say about his value to Chicago, in reference to those crazy Padres rumors at the Winter Meetings (remember those?): “The Padres balked at the Cubs’ asking price for infielder Javier Baez at the winter meetings, moving on to other pursuits, sources say.” The Cubs were apparently looking for a controllable starting pitcher – at a minimum – in return for Baez (though Rosenthal suggests that a top prospect (he mentions a couple of top 50 overall guys) could also get it done)


A buddy of mine sent me this like a hour ago. Didn't say where this came from, but knowing him, it's most likely BN.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:05 pm

A controllable starter who hasn’t had great succes but good stuff like Lamet and a top ~50 prospect or 2 for Baez seems about like where I’d value him. Personally.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:07 pm

I imagine they were asking for Mackenzie Gore among those prospects. Gore is only a top 50 guy because of SSS. This time next year I think alot of people expext him to be the top pitching prospect in baseball and among the handful best overall.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Splendid Splinter » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:09 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:A controllable starter who hasn’t had great succes but good stuff like Lamet and a top ~50 prospect or 2 for Baez seems about like where I’d value him. Personally.


Yeah I couldn't tell if he meant on top of the controllable SP or he just meant a top prospect (or 2 top 50) could also get it done instead of the SP.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Banedon » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:17 pm

We need something to happen so we can stop talking about trading Baez. I don't like that conversation.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:19 pm

Splendid Splinter wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:A controllable starter who hasn’t had great succes but good stuff like Lamet and a top ~50 prospect or 2 for Baez seems about like where I’d value him. Personally.


Yeah I couldn't tell if he meant on top of the controllable SP or he just meant a top prospect (or 2 top 50) could also get it done instead of the SP.

Yeah I wasn’t sure either but think if it’s an either/or with those that’s a little light, imo. He’s worth more than a Lamet or just top 50 prospect or 2 (unless we’re talking top ~10, which I don’t think he’s worth and it’s more likely you could get a top 25-75 guy(s) for him).
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Bertz » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:25 pm

Here's the quote from the article. Brett read it wrong.

*The Padres balked at the Cubs’ asking price for infielder Javier Baez at the winter meetings, moving on to other pursuits, sources say. The Cubs likely would have wanted a controllable starter such as Luis Perdomo or Dinelson Lamet for Baez, who would have solved the Padres’ need for a long-term shortstop (though a top prospect such as Luis Urias or Fernando Tatis Jr. might prove the answer).


This is saying that maybe Tatis or Urias (top 50 prospects) could be the Padres' long term answer at SS, not part of the deal with us.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Banedon » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:57 pm



Darvish and Yelich please and thank you.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:00 pm

horsefeathers Cain, get Yelich regardless of the FA pitcher route
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:04 pm

Cain make no sense to me (regardless of an OF being traded or if they just don’t trust someone or the unit as a whole). I’d rather have some combo of Gomez, Dyson, Jay, Jackson or Maybin for a fraction of the cost.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:06 pm

Both Cobb + Cain and Darvish/Arrieta + Yelich put you reallll close to the luxury tax, and make 2019 much more complicated to pursue a high end FA(need to shed significant salary or be ready to go into the draft pick-punishing penalty). I'll believe it when I see it, as much as Darvish + Yelich would be incredible for 2018.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Tryptamine » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:07 pm

Banedon wrote:https://twitter.com/Bernstein_Goff/status/949019608647983105

Darvish and Yelich please and thank you.


Yelich
Harper
Bryant
Rizzo
Schwarber
Contreras
Baez
Russell

Darvish,Lester,Quintana,Hendricks,Chatwood

over/under 108 wins?
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Tryptamine » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:08 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Both Cobb + Cain and Darvish/Arrieta + Yelich put you reallll close to the luxury tax, and make 2019 much more complicated to pursue a high end FA(need to shed significant salary or be ready to go into the draft pick-punishing penalty). I'll believe it when I see it, as much as Darvish + Yelich would be incredible for 2018.


Sadly, short of someone eating a significant portion of Heyward's contract it's probably not possible.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:14 pm

Tryptamine wrote:
Banedon wrote:https://twitter.com/Bernstein_Goff/status/949019608647983105

Darvish and Yelich please and thank you.


Yelich
Harper
Bryant
Rizzo
Schwarber
Contreras
Baez
Russell

Darvish,Lester,Quintana,Hendricks,Chatwood

over/under 108 wins?

Minimum 8-peat
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:18 pm

Tryptamine wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Both Cobb + Cain and Darvish/Arrieta + Yelich put you reallll close to the luxury tax, and make 2019 much more complicated to pursue a high end FA(need to shed significant salary or be ready to go into the draft pick-punishing penalty). I'll believe it when I see it, as much as Darvish + Yelich would be incredible for 2018.


Sadly, short of someone eating a significant portion of Heyward's contract it's probably not possible.


You can probably bribe someone with a prospect to take Zobrist's contract and make it a bit easier, but you also need to thread the needle on the pitching side too. All of the SP need to look like rotation guys for 2019, none of the important and/or high dollar relievers can blow up, and having someone internally(Maples? Mills? Mekkes?) look capable of a steady bullpen role would help too.
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby Gilby » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:44 pm

If you can lock in Darvish+Yelich right now, I say just do it even if it does take you out of the Harper sweepstakes (which it might not). With the amount of effort the Nats, Yankees, and Dodgers will put into Bryce, I'm fine not taking his free agency into account when going after talents like Darvish and Yelich who can play here this season.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:10 am

hmmm darvish and yelich or cain and arrieta, tough call tough call, what to do what toooo dooo
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:11 am

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:hmmm darvish and yelich or cain and arrieta, tough call tough call, what to do what toooo dooo



Could it be darvish and cain or arrieta and yelich or does that destroy life as we know it
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Re: Cubs Offseason Rumors

Postby David » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:19 am

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:hmmm darvish and yelich or cain and arrieta, tough call tough call, what to do what toooo dooo


it was darvish or arrieta and yelich vs. cobb and cain
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