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Where will Giancar-go? The Yankees.

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:02 pm
by TBS Playoffs Insider


Giancarlo to the Giants seems like best case scenario for us? They're not good enough in the short term for him to really make a difference, and his injury concerns/coming decline would leave them with a huge contract albatross after a few years.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:05 pm
by Transmogrified Tiger
I think true best case would always be in the AL, but if he's getting traded to an NL team then the Giants seem like the best realistic option for us. In particular because if the Cardinals strike out on Stanton, then they're turning to trying to talk the Jays into trading for Donaldson(which they might not care to do and Donaldson is 1 year from FA) or something even worse(trading for Ozuna, signing Cargo, etc).

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm
by toonsterwu
If that's the return ... well, color me a bit surprised they didn't try for Ramos or Duggar. Maybe Jeter's development folks see something, but Panik/Beede/Shaw? That's not much. Granted, it's the money that matters the most to them. Anyhow, Gordon was on the move anyways, and Shaw may be enough to convince them to shop Bour.

The GIants were probably always the favorite, because they were the only team desperate enough to eat a huge chunk of the money. Assuming Bumgarner is back to normal and Cueto bounces back a bit, they look interesting enough, particularly if this is all that it costs them. I think Melancon will be fine, but a bit more tinkering in the pen and maybe another bat would put the finishing touches on the off-season for the Giants.

Anyhow, tweet reads as if the Giants aren't certain on taking on all that money, so it's probably not done yet.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:11 pm
by TomtheBombadil
Man, praise Jah the Cubs have Kris Bryant.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:54 pm
by Regular Show
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/936293482783805440

Giancarlo to the Giants seems like best case scenario for us? They're not good enough in the short term for him to really make a difference, and his injury concerns/coming decline would leave them with a huge contract albatross after a few years.


Yeah, I think besides going to the AL this is probably a best case scenario. Maybe the Rockies, but that'll never happen lol. I was thinking if he went to the Phillies that that would also work out well for the Cubs. The Phillies are still behind the Mets and Nationals, and it'll be a few more years before they're true contenders again.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:34 am
by 17 Seconds
he should veto every trade that's not to a home run friendly park. that's what i would do, since he's already got the money.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:31 am
by Cubswin11




Seems like he’s gonna be going there or this is a last minute ploy by Stanton/his reps/Marlins to get the Dodgers in on it.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:24 am
by toonsterwu
I'm guessing they'd slide Arroyo in at 2nd, have some sort of Span/Pence time-share, and then find a CF (or let Slater/Duggar get a shot at it). They'd have to find some hits in the pen, but, while the margin of error is thin, it's possible to envision a competitive club.

Actually, what I'm more interested in, off-season wise, is if this trade goes through early enough, could the Marlins shop former Cubs farmhand Justin Bour. It's possible they hold onto him, but with Chris Shaw in, a similar-ish player who is borderline ready, Bour might be a cheap positive asset that they could stick with say, Martin Prado, and see if a team will bite.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:20 am
by davell
There's Hosmer, Morrison, Santana, Alonso, Duda, Reynolds, and Moreland on the FA market and Abreu available in trade. I don't see a team going for Bour with a bad contract attached.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:16 pm
by weis21
Peter G w/ an update. period.


Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:58 pm
by Omar
The Cubs.

Go get 'em, Theo.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:28 pm
by NonProfitCow
Cardinals for sure.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:47 pm
by Cubswin11
If/when the Giants get him I really don't get it, they are more than a Stanton away and if they really are cool with committing to $300 million this offseason idk why they wouldn't just go sign like 1 of Fraizer/Moustakas/Walker for 3B, 2 or 3 of Cain, Gomez, Cargo, Bautista, Jay, Kendrick for the OF, a Tillman, Garcia, Vargas type for some rotation innings at the back end and then like 2-3 of the middle tier FA RP like Nicasio, McGee, Kintzler, etc. That would be a more well rounded and competitive team, imo and probably can get it for less than the commitment on taking on all of Stanton's contract with room to still jump in to next years FA bonanza.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:16 pm
by Backtobanks
Cubswin11 wrote:If/when the Giants get him I really don't get it, they are more than a Stanton away and if they really are cool with committing to $300 million this offseason idk why they wouldn't just go sign like 1 of Fraizer/Moustakas/Walker for 3B, 2 or 3 of Cain, Gomez, Cargo, Bautista, Jay, Kendrick for the OF, a Tillman, Garcia, Vargas type for some rotation innings at the back end and then like 2-3 of the middle tier FA RP like Nicasio, McGee, Kintzler, etc. That would be a more well rounded and competitive team, imo and probably can get it for less than the commitment on taking on all of Stanton's contract with room to still jump in to next years FA bonanza.


You're right, but signing all of those players probably wouldn't put as many fans in the seats as getting Stanton.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:18 am
by Cubswin11

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:30 am
by Sammys Boombox
Backtobanks wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:If/when the Giants get him I really don't get it, they are more than a Stanton away and if they really are cool with committing to $300 million this offseason idk why they wouldn't just go sign like 1 of Fraizer/Moustakas/Walker for 3B, 2 or 3 of Cain, Gomez, Cargo, Bautista, Jay, Kendrick for the OF, a Tillman, Garcia, Vargas type for some rotation innings at the back end and then like 2-3 of the middle tier FA RP like Nicasio, McGee, Kintzler, etc. That would be a more well rounded and competitive team, imo and probably can get it for less than the commitment on taking on all of Stanton's contract with room to still jump in to next years FA bonanza.


You're right, but signing all of those players probably wouldn't put as many fans in the seats as getting Stanton.


I don’t think the Giants have any issues with attendance (3rd in MLB in 2017). I’d imagine a competitive team puts more people in the stands than Stanton on a bad team.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:10 pm
by Backtobanks
Sammy's Boombox wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:If/when the Giants get him I really don't get it, they are more than a Stanton away and if they really are cool with committing to $300 million this offseason idk why they wouldn't just go sign like 1 of Fraizer/Moustakas/Walker for 3B, 2 or 3 of Cain, Gomez, Cargo, Bautista, Jay, Kendrick for the OF, a Tillman, Garcia, Vargas type for some rotation innings at the back end and then like 2-3 of the middle tier FA RP like Nicasio, McGee, Kintzler, etc. That would be a more well rounded and competitive team, imo and probably can get it for less than the commitment on taking on all of Stanton's contract with room to still jump in to next years FA bonanza.


You're right, but signing all of those players probably wouldn't put as many fans in the seats as getting Stanton.


I don’t think the Giants have any issues with attendance (3rd in MLB in 2017). I’d imagine a competitive team puts more people in the stands than Stanton on a bad team.


Signing all of those players might make them win more games. but still wouldn't be competitive with the Dodgers.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:57 pm
by Cubswin11

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:00 pm
by davell
Awful choices. He can decide to lose to the Cubs or the Dodgers.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:04 pm
by NOLA
davell wrote:Awful choices. He can decide to lose to the Cubs or the Dodgers.

He’d fit great on the Red Sox.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:19 pm
by soccer10k
Sammy's Boombox wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:If/when the Giants get him I really don't get it, they are more than a Stanton away and if they really are cool with committing to $300 million this offseason idk why they wouldn't just go sign like 1 of Fraizer/Moustakas/Walker for 3B, 2 or 3 of Cain, Gomez, Cargo, Bautista, Jay, Kendrick for the OF, a Tillman, Garcia, Vargas type for some rotation innings at the back end and then like 2-3 of the middle tier FA RP like Nicasio, McGee, Kintzler, etc. That would be a more well rounded and competitive team, imo and probably can get it for less than the commitment on taking on all of Stanton's contract with room to still jump in to next years FA bonanza.


You're right, but signing all of those players probably wouldn't put as many fans in the seats as getting Stanton.


I don’t think the Giants have any issues with attendance (3rd in MLB in 2017). I’d imagine a competitive team puts more people in the stands than Stanton on a bad team.


The actual numbers look good but the bodies in seats went way down last year. You could get secondary market tickets for dirt cheap even in April and May. I imagine they won't sell nearly the same number of tickets before the season like they did last year and if they're a mediocre or bad team again, attendance will drop.

They've had a great run in this park because they had Bonds through 2007, and then got good in 2009. The only bad year they had without Bonds was 2008 and attendance dropped by 350K. 2009 they had he same attendance and won 88 games, and I would guess they got a boost in attendance the second half of the year when they were chasing a playoff spot.

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:03 pm
by TBS Playoffs Insider
the cardinals wanna pay a guy $30 million a year for the rest of his life while also collecting competitive balance picks

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:15 am
by NonProfitCow
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:the cardinals wanna pay a guy $30 million a year for the rest of his life while also collecting competitive balance picks

yeah, it's pretty cool

deal is down if he says ok

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:31 am
by Cubswin11

Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:42 am
by toonsterwu
Giancarlo has leverage to try and force his way to the Dodgers, but it's hard for me to see Friedman taking on any major portion of that salary, which is what the Marlins want. If the Marlins stay firm with their threat to move other assets like Ozuna/Yelich/Realmuto and leave Stanton on a bad team, then it'll be in Stanton's court to see if he's willing to stick it out.

At the end of the day, I think Stanton sucks it up and goes to the Giants. Just hard to see him wanting to stick it out there. Of course, maybe he has doubts about the Giants viability long run ....