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Postby XZero77 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:38 pm

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A. Why do they think the Marlins are going to move all their best players? Another "fire sale" or however you want to describe it will not go over well with the fanbase and is a bad way to start off for Jeter and company.


The Marlins owners have no money and have made it clear they are going to get rid of all costly players.


There was a rumor that the Marlins' new ownership approached Stanton to warn him that if he would not accept any trade, virtually all other players of value would be sold off around him. This leads me to believe it might not be a full-on fire sale.

The number being floated around for the Marlins projected target payroll is about 75MM. I'm sure they'd like to keep a couple of good players, at least.

I guess what I am saying here is that if/when Stanton is traded to SF/LAD, it's entirely possible that the fish elect to keep Ozuna and/or Yelich, freezing the Cards out of any of them. Which would be horsefeathering glorious.
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:44 pm

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The number being floated around for the Marlins projected target payroll is about 75MM. I'm sure they'd like to keep a couple of good players, at least.


why would they do that? They suck balls and have no money. They'd be much better off ripping off the bandaid and losing every game for two years to stock up on prospects and high draft picks and slowly start to build a real team. There's value in an expansion or newly moved team to actually try to win some games and garner support from the new fans, but Miami has been here for 3 decades now and they are what they are, an afterthought. Why spend $75m to win 70 when you can spend $30m to win 68?
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

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Regular Show wrote:So the Cardinals are probably not getting Stanton, and it honestly has to sting that a top player doesn't want to go there.


It's not just Stanton, but Price, Heyward, Ohtani (not that the Cards showed a ton of interest in Ohtani, but he did eliminate them right off the bat), etc.

The reputation of STL as a "baseball heaven" where virtually all players would like to be has taken a pretty sound thrashing over the past few seasons. The gripe among Cards fans was that DeWitt wouldn't spend the money. Now it appears players don't want it even when it is offered.
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby XZero77 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:51 pm

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The number being floated around for the Marlins projected target payroll is about 75MM. I'm sure they'd like to keep a couple of good players, at least.


why would they do that? They suck balls and have no money. They'd be much better off ripping off the bandaid and losing every game for two years to stock up on prospects and high draft picks and slowly start to build a real team. There's value in an expansion or newly moved team to actually try to win some games and garner support from the new fans, but Miami has been here for 3 decades now and they are what they are, an afterthought. Why spend $75m to win 70 when you can spend $30m to win 68?


It doesn't make sense to me, either. Of course they'd be better off tanking. But that rumor was making the rounds.

Maybe the thought process is like some here had in the early stages of our rebuild, where they preferred the futile pretense of "trying" half-assedly rather than tanking full on.
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:55 pm

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Regular Show wrote:So the Cardinals are probably not getting Stanton, and it honestly has to sting that a top player doesn't want to go there.


It's not just Stanton, but Price, Heyward, Ohtani (not that the Cards showed a ton of interest in Ohtani, but he did eliminate them right off the bat), etc.

The reputation of STL as a "baseball heaven" where virtually all players would like to be has taken a pretty sound thrashing over the past few seasons. The gripe among Cards fans was that DeWitt wouldn't spend the money. Now it appears players don't want it even when it is offered.


Well, certain players don't want to play there, while other, more wholesome types still probably do.
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:01 pm

The Cardinals have really become a second rate organization
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby Brian707 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:49 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:The Cardinals have really become a second rate organization



You would think with their awesome local cuisine, being a second rate organization would never happen

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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby David » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:16 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/Chris_Camello/status/938820969933574144


Seriously, tho, if they do this, this makes them less of a threat against us for Harper right?
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:23 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/Chris_Camello/status/938820969933574144


Seriously, tho, if they do this, this makes them less of a threat against us for Harper right?

I would think this almost certainly would take them out of it. It just wouldn't make much sense to have $600+ million tied up in outfielders. I think they'd be more in on Machado than Harper anyways (move Turner to 1B and Bellinger to the OF for 1-2 years until Tuner is gone, move Turner to 2B or Seagar to 2B and Machado at 3B/SS).
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby champaignchris » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:42 pm

David wrote:Seriously, tho, if they do this, this makes them less of a threat against us for Harper right?


It's the old "bird in hand," right. At the very least, the Cubs, Nats, and Yankees will be pushing all their chips in to try to get Harper. Probably other teams as well. The Dodgers might have a 1 in 4 shot to get Harper for who knows how much money, probably something pretty similar to, if not more expensive than, Stanton's contract.

They know Stanton wants to play for them. They know what his contract costs. If they can convince the Marlins to take one or both of their bad contracts (Kazmir and Gonzalez) which would defer the Marlin's salary relief for a year, but would enable the Dodgers to take the entire Stanton contract. Send Gonzalez and/or Kazmir, Puig, $10-15M, and some b-list prospects and call it a deal.
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby Derwood » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:44 pm

I’ve read the Phillies will go hard for Harper too if they see their window opening
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby davell » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:06 pm

Dee Gordon just went to the Mariners. No idea if Stanton gets moved soon or not. But, its going to be fun seeing how they drop payroll, if its not Stanton.
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:28 pm

Well, 2B is now open in Miami for Panik
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby Post Count Padder » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:32 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Well, 2B is now open in Miami for Panik

I think the last update I saw was Panik wasn't in the offer but Arroyo, Ramos, Beede and Shaw all were.
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Postby UMFan83 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:58 am

Ummm ok

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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:58 am

He’s apparently told the Giants and Cardinals to horsefeathers off

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Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:03 am

if you knew we had no chance at harper, would you want stanton?
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:03 am

17 Seconds wrote:if you knew we had no chance at harper, would you want stanton?

Yes, but it would have to be some sort of super trade where we got Stanton, Yelich + bad contract (Volquez, Tazawa, Ziegler, etc.) too and they’d get like 1 of Almora or Happ, Seal Boy, Alzolay and Zagunis
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby davell » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:08 am

We don't even want the guy, but he'd approve a deal to us and he tells the Cards no, despite them begging him.

Their fans are going to go nuts lol.
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby shnsajax » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:19 am

So can Stanton play LF?
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Postby ScrubMD » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:26 am

davell wrote:We don't even want the guy, but he'd approve a deal to us and he tells the Cards no, despite them begging him.

Their fans are going to go nuts lol.


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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby d_money » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:29 am

My god, him in the line up would be sick. That contract becomes an albatross in the last 5 years ($140M - $150M). That’s a lot of jack for what could be some unproductive years.
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Re: Where will Giancar-go?

Postby XZero77 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:30 am

17 Seconds wrote:if you knew we had no chance at harper, would you want stanton?


Sure, but I am becoming irrationally confident that Harper is a Cub in 2019.
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