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Postby Duke Silver » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:31 am

Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1019056122903318534?s=21


Surely this guy I've never heard of has similar trade value to Russell + Happ + + ?
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:38 am

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Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1019056122903318534?s=21


Surely this guy I've never heard of has similar trade value to Russell + Happ + + ?

We should make sure we don’t want to trade Russell and Happ +++ for this Phillies pitcher if he’s that good.
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:48 pm



Sounds like he's heading to the Dodgers if you believe Nightengale (and you have every reason not to)

Honestly....meh. Doesn't really worry me for some reason.
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Postby Andy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:07 pm

UMFan83 wrote:https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1019261186263699456

Sounds like he's heading to the Dodgers if you believe Nightengale (and you have every reason not to)

Honestly....meh. Doesn't really worry me for some reason.

If we do our job we won't have to worry about the Dodgers until the NLCS, and I'll take my chances at that point. And they'd still have to win a crapshoot best of 5 against the NL East champ under that scenario.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby Bertz » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:22 pm

Even though it makes October a little tougher the Dodgers getting Manny right before facing the Brewers 7 times in two weeks is awesome.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:30 pm

I do not want the NL's hottest team (+59 RD since June 1) to get Manny Machado
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Postby champaignchris » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:35 pm

He’s basically a Corey Seager replacement. Puts them where they would have been had Seager’s arm not fallen off.

Curious to see the price and curious to see if the Dodgers pursue Manny in free agency next year. With a healthy Seager, they have the left side of their infield set. But when will Seager be healthy again if ever?
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:43 pm

champaignchris wrote:He’s basically a Corey Seager replacement. Puts them where they would have been had Seager’s arm not fallen off.

Curious to see the price and curious to see if the Dodgers pursue Manny in free agency next year. With a healthy Seager, they have the left side of their infield set. But when will Seager be healthy again if ever?


fun fact: Manny Machado has never had a season as valuable as Seager's rookie year.

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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby bcl412 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:45 pm

I’d prefer it to the brewers though the brewers trading prospects for a rental that doesn’t make them better than us is always intriguing
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:51 pm

I'd prefer the orioles keep him because the orioles are dumb and it doesn't make other playoff teams better
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby Tim » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:59 pm

On the one hand, I want him traded for a really light return to set the overall market cheaper for us to get what we need.

On the other hand, we do not need as much as other teams, so I want them to have prohibitive prices to pay.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby champaignchris » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:22 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:fun fact: Manny Machado has never had a season as valuable as Seager's rookie year.


fWAR.

By bWAR, Machado has three seasons better than Seager’s rookie season. This year, however, Machado’s not on pace for a better season than Seager’s rookie season primarily due to how poorly his defense grades out at SS.

Is there some consensus out there that fWAR is better than bWAR? I go to BR more quickly than I do FG, but largely only due to the fact that I find the site easier to navigate.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:45 pm

champaignchris wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:fun fact: Manny Machado has never had a season as valuable as Seager's rookie year.


fWAR.

By bWAR, Machado has three seasons better than Seager’s rookie season. This year, however, Machado’s not on pace for a better season than Seager’s rookie season primarily due to how poorly his defense grades out at SS.

Is there some consensus out there that fWAR is better than bWAR? I go to BR more quickly than I do FG, but largely only due to the fact that I find the site easier to navigate.

I prefer fWAR, I think FG is easier to navigate than BR, ha. The answer is probably a blend of the two to find true value.

The super easy way to explain why I like fWAR more is how fWAR values the underlying things guys do vs bWAR going off of more what guys actually did on surface numbers.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:58 pm

I know it doesn’t really work that way most of the time, but I hope the Dodgers adding Manny ups the level of trade targets for us with the bullpen add(s) or even starter (DeGrom) since I believe Theo views the Dodgers as our main competition.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby New York Cubs Fan » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:59 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
champaignchris wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:fun fact: Manny Machado has never had a season as valuable as Seager's rookie year.


fWAR.

By bWAR, Machado has three seasons better than Seager’s rookie season. This year, however, Machado’s not on pace for a better season than Seager’s rookie season primarily due to how poorly his defense grades out at SS.

Is there some consensus out there that fWAR is better than bWAR? I go to BR more quickly than I do FG, but largely only due to the fact that I find the site easier to navigate.

I prefer fWAR, I think FG is easier to navigate than BR, ha. The answer is probably a blend of the two to find true value.

The super easy way to explain why I like fWAR more is how fWAR values the underlying things guys do vs bWAR going off of more what guys actually did on surface numbers.


Is that still true for hitting and defense stats? I'm pretty sure they are very similar, UZR vs DRS for defense, and both use wOBA as the base for their offensive WAR. I think B-R actually normalizes for league more than FG does now. With pitching you still have the RA vs FIP situation, but for hitters idk that FG is really more about valuing the underlying things guys do than B-R these days.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:02 pm

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champaignchris wrote:
fWAR.

By bWAR, Machado has three seasons better than Seager’s rookie season. This year, however, Machado’s not on pace for a better season than Seager’s rookie season primarily due to how poorly his defense grades out at SS.

Is there some consensus out there that fWAR is better than bWAR? I go to BR more quickly than I do FG, but largely only due to the fact that I find the site easier to navigate.

I prefer fWAR, I think FG is easier to navigate than BR, ha. The answer is probably a blend of the two to find true value.

The super easy way to explain why I like fWAR more is how fWAR values the underlying things guys do vs bWAR going off of more what guys actually did on surface numbers.


Is that still true for hitting and defense stats? I'm pretty sure they are very similar, UZR vs DRS for defense, and both use wOBA as the base for their offensive WAR. I think B-R actually normalizes for league more than FG does now. With pitching you still have the RA vs FIP situation, but for hitters idk that FG is really more about valuing the underlying things guys do than B-R these days.

You might be right on hitters, but pitchers are definitely different and I prefer the FG way of measuring that with FIP.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:36 pm

I almost entirely browse on mobile and fg blows br off the map in terms of navigation simplicity there.
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Postby soccer10k » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:21 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I do not want the NL's hottest team (+59 RD since June 1) to get Manny Machado


Yeah, if they’re going to trade him, I’d prefer if he goes to the Phillies.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:26 am



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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby The Logan » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:09 am

There goes Stearns driving up the price for another superstar. What a stallion of a GM he is.
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Postby ScrubMD » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:17 pm

Apparently late last night the Brewers agreed to add a young stud reliever to their offer. No details yet, but sounds interesting.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby CubInOK » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:15 pm

ScrubMD wrote:Apparently late last night the Brewers agreed to add a young stud reliever to their offer. No details yet, but sounds interesting.

The Dodgers FO rebutted this offer, stating that the young reliever would only have value to the St. Louis Cardinals.
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:18 pm

soccer10k wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I do not want the NL's hottest team (+59 RD since June 1) to get Manny Machado


Yeah, if they’re going to trade him, I’d prefer if he goes to the Phillies.


Yep for several reasons including one Harper suitor a lot less likely to be a threat
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Re: The Manny Machado Thread

Postby sneakypower » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:27 pm

cool stat, Bryce Harper would not crack the top 9 hitters on our roster for fWAR rn
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