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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Bull » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:42 pm

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Enn Tea wrote:Im not taking one side ornthe other, just asking: how much more is Jake gonna get than Darvish? Is Darvish over Jake the right choice?


I am not sure Jake is going to get more than Darvish but i think Jake has not given signs of coming down from his asking price and Darvish may have. That is why the Cubs are after Darvish now IMO. I think Darvish is the better pitcher going forward so if it were me i sign Darvish.


I still haven't seen any indication that Darvish "may have" reduced his asking price. Darvish is obviously the better pitcher going forward, but if the numbers end up (not that they will) with Darvish @ 6 yrs/$160 mil. and Arrieta @ 4 yrs./$90 mil. it might be a tough decision.


I think the line of thinking is, 1. Cubs were “out” on front line high dollar and years FA pitchers this offseason, 2. Cubs are now “in” on Darvish. Ergo, Darvish’s years or AAV must be down.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby ConstableRabbit » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:50 pm

Bull wrote:
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I am not sure Jake is going to get more than Darvish but i think Jake has not given signs of coming down from his asking price and Darvish may have. That is why the Cubs are after Darvish now IMO. I think Darvish is the better pitcher going forward so if it were me i sign Darvish.



I still haven't seen any indication that Darvish "may have" reduced his asking price. Darvish is obviously the better pitcher going forward, but if the numbers end up (not that they will) with Darvish @ 6 yrs/$160 mil. and Arrieta @ 4 yrs./$90 mil. it might be a tough decision.


I think the line of thinking is, 1. Cubs were “out” on front line high dollar and years FA pitchers this offseason, 2. Cubs are now “in” on dervish, Ergo, Darvish’s years or AAV must be down.

That’s not the only reason the Cubs could be in now.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Backtobanks » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:44 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Bull wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:

I still haven't seen any indication that Darvish "may have" reduced his asking price. Darvish is obviously the better pitcher going forward, but if the numbers end up (not that they will) with Darvish @ 6 yrs/$160 mil. and Arrieta @ 4 yrs./$90 mil. it might be a tough decision.


I think the line of thinking is, 1. Cubs were “out” on front line high dollar and years FA pitchers this offseason, 2. Cubs are now “in” on dervish, Ergo, Darvish’s years or AAV must be down.

That’s not the only reason the Cubs could be in now.


Yeah, they might realize that they still need that TOR starter and the cost in trade assets is too high.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Bull » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:52 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Bull wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:

I still haven't seen any indication that Darvish "may have" reduced his asking price. Darvish is obviously the better pitcher going forward, but if the numbers end up (not that they will) with Darvish @ 6 yrs/$160 mil. and Arrieta @ 4 yrs./$90 mil. it might be a tough decision.


I think the line of thinking is, 1. Cubs were “out” on front line high dollar and years FA pitchers this offseason, 2. Cubs are now “in” on dervish, Ergo, Darvish’s years or AAV must be down.

That’s not the only reason the Cubs could be in now.

I didn’t say it was a good line of thinking. :)
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby CubsWin » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:52 am

In an ideal world I prefer the trade route for acquiring the next Cubs starting pitcher, but if it were Darvish, how high would you be willing to go to get him? 5 years at 25 million per? 4 years at 28 per? 6 at 22? More? Not what you would ideally (and realistically) hope to sign him for but what would you absolutely not be willing to go beyond?

I'd love to learn what different people here have to say...
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby David » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:54 am

CubsWin wrote:In an ideal world I prefer the trade route for acquiring the next Cubs starting pitcher, but if it were Darvish, how high would you be willing to go to get him? 5 years at 25 million per? 4 years at 28 per? 6 at 22? More? Now what you would ideally (and realistically) hope to sign him for but what would you absolutely not be willing to go beyond?

I'd love to learn what different people here have to say...

don't care as long as the AAV doesn't preclude us from signing harper and doesn't go beyond 6 years
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:55 am

CubsWin wrote:In an ideal world I prefer the trade route for acquiring the next Cubs starting pitcher, but if it were Darvish, how high would you be willing to go to get him? 5 years at 25 million per? 4 years at 28 per? 6 at 22? More? Not what you would ideally (and realistically) hope to sign him for but what would you absolutely not be willing to go beyond?

I'd love to learn what different people here have to say...

Max amount for me would be 4/110 and 5/130. 6 years is a no go. As long as the AAV isn’t crazy though that’s all I care about and it not screwing us in other things (which I don’t think it will, this FO has the foresight).
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Dfan25 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:36 am

CubsWin wrote:In an ideal world I prefer the trade route for acquiring the next Cubs starting pitcher, but if it were Darvish, how high would you be willing to go to get him? 5 years at 25 million per? 4 years at 28 per? 6 at 22? More? Not what you would ideally (and realistically) hope to sign him for but what would you absolutely not be willing to go beyond?

I'd love to learn what different people here have to say...

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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:36 am

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CubsWin wrote:In an ideal world I prefer the trade route for acquiring the next Cubs starting pitcher, but if it were Darvish, how high would you be willing to go to get him? 5 years at 25 million per? 4 years at 28 per? 6 at 22? More? Now what you would ideally (and realistically) hope to sign him for but what would you absolutely not be willing to go beyond?

I'd love to learn what different people here have to say...

don't care as long as the AAV doesn't preclude us from signing harper and doesn't go beyond 6 years


Agreed.
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Postby CubinNY » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:09 pm

Darvish will be singing Eddie Vedder tunes and wearing a Cubs hat tomorrow. I can feel it.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby JennieGarthAlgar » Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:15 pm

CubinNY wrote:Dervish will be singing Eddie Vedder tunes and wearing a Cubs hat tomorrow. I can feel it.


Durvish will be watching Curb Your Enthusiasm episodes and laughing at all the Jeff Garlin scenes tomorrow. I can feel it.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Banedon » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:55 pm

So much for the Japanese article saying that this would be decided by Christmas.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Derwood » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:59 pm

Banedon wrote:So much for the Japanese article saying that this would be decided by Christmas.


I thought it said it wouldn’t be
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby David » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:01 pm

Derwood wrote:
Banedon wrote:So much for the Japanese article saying that this would be decided by Christmas.


I thought it said it wouldn’t be


It did. There was confusion with translations early on.
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Postby davell » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:10 pm

Minnesota is still trying to schedule a meeting with him. With the way FA is looking, January is going to be busier than December always has been.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:19 pm

I keep checking this forum for news, ugh. Make Yu decision already Yu.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:07 pm

davell wrote:Minnesota is still trying to schedule a meeting with him. With the way FA is looking, January is going to be busier than December always has been.

...the Twins or MinnCubFan?
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Postby vance_the_cubs_fan » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:40 am

If years and money were the same, would you prefer Darvish or a return of Jake?
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:51 am

vance_the_cubs_fan wrote:If years and money were the same, would you prefer Darvish or a return of Jake?

This question/prosposal has been brought up in different forms before in here but Darvish in that scenario I’d say 95% of the people who’ve voiced their opinion would pick Darvish (and 100% of the smart poster on here would pick him). I think Darvish is the clear option in just about any scenario short of Jake’s market turning in to a 1 year deal or Darvish approaching $30 million in aav (or whatever the FO has determined is the AAV they won’t touch or if they go to it, it affects future plans).
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby David » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:51 am

vance_the_cubs_fan wrote:If years and money were the same, would you prefer Darvish or a return of Jake?


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