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Postby Banedon » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:42 pm

God this offseason is dumb.
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Postby Tryptamine » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:46 pm

Banedon wrote:God this offseason is dumb.


It really is. The only benefit is now that we only have like 5 weeks until pitchers and catchers there's almost going to have to be a constant flurry of moves starting soon.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:55 pm

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It’s Ohtani. He never signed with the Angels, that was all just a ruse by Theo to make the dramatic announcement at the convention this weekend.

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Postby ScrubMD » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:00 pm

I saw a Japanese person at the grocery store once.
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Postby Named After Maddux » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:19 pm

ScrubMD wrote:I saw a Japanese person at the grocery store once.


Sure, but were they carrying a Cubs [grocery] bag?
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Postby David » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:33 am

Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/952008995295911936


well yeah, yu tweeted so himself today
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Postby davell » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:33 am

David wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/bryanhoch/status/952008995295911936


well yeah, yu tweeted so himself today


Actually, Yu followed that up by saying they had made an offer, just those weren't the right numbers.
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Postby Derwood » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:17 pm

stop tweeting at pro athletes, you shaved apes
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Postby davell » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:34 pm

Sounds like a starting pitcher is all we're really looking for now. If that's the case, I really want Darvish even more than before. If it takes 6/150, so be it. Give him a couple of opt out and be done with it.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:39 pm

davell wrote:Sounds like a starting pitcher is all we're really looking for now. If that's the case, I really want Darvish even more than before. If it takes 6/150, so be it. Give him a couple of opt out and be done with it.

Yeah 6/130-150 with an opt out in 2 of the first 3 years and front load it a bit.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Derwood » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:16 pm

John Harper of the New York Daily News reports that the Yankees' interest in Yu Darvish is "very real."

Harper says general manager Brian Cashman thinks they'd be able to sign Darvish at a "reasonable" price due to the stalled free agent market, which is part of the reason they didn't offer a stronger package for Gerrit Cole. Harper writes that the Yankees "seem to think" that price could be in the five-year, $80-90 million range. That seems awfully low, especially since there are a good number of clubs still in on the right-hander. Darvish would put the Yanks over the luxury-tax threshold even if they get him at a bargain rate, and the team has been adamant they won't go there. It would likely require them trading Jacoby Ellsbury and/or another player or two.
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Postby Tim » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:28 pm

Derwood wrote:
John Harper of the New York Daily News reports that the Yankees' interest in Yu Darvish is "very real."

Harper says general manager Brian Cashman thinks they'd be able to sign Darvish at a "reasonable" price due to the stalled free agent market, which is part of the reason they didn't offer a stronger package for Gerrit Cole. Harper writes that the Yankees "seem to think" that price could be in the five-year, $80-90 million range. That seems awfully low, especially since there are a good number of clubs still in on the right-hander. Darvish would put the Yanks over the luxury-tax threshold even if they get him at a bargain rate, and the team has been adamant they won't go there. It would likely require them trading Jacoby Ellsbury and/or another player or two.

Ha!

Sign Darvish at 5/110
Trade Happ, Almora, De la Cruz and Hatch for Yelich
Sign <insert your favorite cheap backup C> for 1/2M
Sign Watson for 2/12

That adds 37M in AAV, which means no in season moves without moving commensurate salary. But that's also a damn fine team even without mid-year upgrades.
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Postby Bobson Dugnutt » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:43 pm

lol the yankees interest in darvish is so real they’re willing to give him $16 million a year
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:39 pm

It's going to be nice when we sign Bryce Harper next offseason and it helps Darvish decide on us.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:46 am

Derwood wrote:
John Harper of the New York Daily News reports that the Yankees' interest in Yu Darvish is "very real."

Harper says general manager Brian Cashman thinks they'd be able to sign Darvish at a "reasonable" price due to the stalled free agent market, which is part of the reason they didn't offer a stronger package for Gerrit Cole. Harper writes that the Yankees "seem to think" that price could be in the five-year, $80-90 million range. That seems awfully low, especially since there are a good number of clubs still in on the right-hander. Darvish would put the Yanks over the luxury-tax threshold even if they get him at a bargain rate, and the team has been adamant they won't go there. It would likely require them trading Jacoby Ellsbury and/or another player or two.


Did Cashman say this while rapelling down a New York high rise?
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:51 am

Bobson Dugnutt wrote:lol the yankees interest in darvish is so real they’re willing to give him $16 million a year


Also they'd show you the money right now but it actually goes to a different school that's far away.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:49 pm

It is a stalled market. Maybe Cobb will take the 3/30 he's worth.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:55 pm

5/80-90 would be amazing if the Yankees think that's where his market is at right now (not where they would go to). I'd do 4/90 with opt outs in the first 2 years and call it a day.
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Postby toonsterwu » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:56 am

It wouldn't surprise me if Darvish's market was coming down, but as good/shrewd as Cashman has been of late, I tend to think that low is a bit wishful thinking on his part. I mean, the thing is, if it drops near that low, you'd likely get a lot of teams in on the bidding. At those numbers, the Twins can easily go past it. I mean, Wei-Yin Chen and Jeff Samardzija got that level of contracts a few years ago ... those deals are made, perhaps not in a snap, but they are made, and Darvish is better, so if it gets near that low, I'd imagine a lot of teams jumping in before it drops any further. I mean, the Nationals are in the market for an arm and are willing to spend, so unless they simply want to kiss Boras' ring ahead of next year, Darvish would be better than Arrieta, and they have that flexibility, albeit only with some creativity.

I'm still ambivalent on Darvish. Yes, he'd give us a top of the rotation arm, but I suspect a lot of the prices on the 2nd tier guys will come down as guys try to get deals done, and I'm just wary of dumping the truck on Darvish, moreso on the years. I can live with 5 years, but it wouldn't surprise me if he's angling for some sort of way to get a 6th, if not 7th year. I think I could probably live with some sort of 6th year trigger (I wouldn't give a straight/clear 6th year), a la the Wei Yin Chen contract several years ago, with built in opt outs early in his tenure (basically, a copy of that Chen deal, but a lot more cash). I'm thinking it's going to be something like 6/125, with the contract front-loaded a bit in the first two years (say, he gets 50 mil in the first two), and he has an opt out after the 2nd year, with perhaps a trigger for the 6th year, and maybe even a trigger on a 7th year.

At this juncture, we might as well slow-play it and see how things turn out. For all the talk about collusion, and I wouldn't necessarily rule it out, but I tend to think a lot of this is just that sports has largely become a big, gigantic groupthink circle in some respects. At some point, the numbers will get to a point where someone jumps. It wouldn't surprise me if the Cubs were angling for some sort of stealth move as they wait for the FA market to move ...
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:32 am

I’m struggling to think of anyone’s incentive to give Darvish 6-7 years, particularly with such a concerted effort by teams in FA that is definitely not in any way collusion. Barry Bonds didn’t feel like playing anymore. Maybe there’s a shot the Twins, only now beginning to recover from just getting $350 million for their $545 million dollar stadium last decade, feel this is their best chance at a first class FA and break from the pack but I doubt it. Most definitely those years are not coming from the Cubs or Dodgers.
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Postby davell » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:01 pm

It makes perfect sense for a major market team to give him a 6 or 7 year offer. It keeps the AAV down, for LT purposes and you can litter it with opt outs, to where he may take another shot at FA anyway. And the back end of the deal will happen during the next CBA, which will likely see a dramatic jump up in the LT, if he doesn't opt out anyway.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:14 pm

davell wrote:It makes perfect sense for a major market team to give him a 6 or 7 year offer. It keeps the AAV down, for LT purposes and you can litter it with opt outs, to where he may take another shot at FA anyway. And the back end of the deal will happen during the next CBA, which will likely see a dramatic jump up in the LT, if he doesn't opt out anyway.

7 years seems a little much but under the right deal (like 6/135-140 I could live with it if there’s opt outs and front load it with with like $30mil first 2-3 years) I’d be able to live with that. The AAV is a relative steal at that and with front loading it hopefully he pitches good enough in years 2-3 he opts out (after getting about 2/60-3/90) and you aren’t stuck with like 3/80 on the backside.
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