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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Banedon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:46 pm

Seems odd that it goes down for 2019 and then back up for the two following years.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby UMFan83 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:58 pm

Banedon wrote:Seems odd that it goes down for 2019 and then back up for the two following years.


Guessing it is all arranged to potentially fit Harper. The Cubs have Zobrist (12.5m) and Cishek (6.5m) on the books in 2019 but do not in 2020.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby The_Achiever » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:02 pm

Banedon wrote:Seems odd that it goes down for 2019 and then back up for the two following years.


Maybe an incentive to keep him from opting out?

Any way you slice this I love this deal though.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:24 pm

Is homie rocking some Pradas?

Also, that's the closest to an in-focus shot Gordon has ever tweeted. And I think it's heavily optically zoomed in, too.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby David » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:28 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:Is homie rocking some Pradas?

Also, that's the closest to an in-focus shot Gordon has ever tweeted. And I think it's heavily optically zoomed in, too.


digitally you mean?

unless he's got one of fancy newfangled optical zoom phones
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby squally1313 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:28 pm

This is the roughest math possible, but with those details, the Cubs have the following lined up for 2019:

Locked in ($130m): 10 players
Heyward, Lester, Darvish, Zobrist, Chatwood, Morrow, Rizzo, Cishek, Duensing, Smyly

Options picked up: 2 players, $19m
Quintana $10.5
Strop $6.3

Arbitration (guess): 9 players, $45m
Bryant $16
Hendricks $8
Russell $7
Grimm $3
LaStella $1
Baez $3
Montgomery $2
Schwarber $3
Edwards $2

That's $194m for 21 spots, 3 minimums plus...$40m a year puts us around $235. Obviously Zobrist, Heyward, Smyly, etc are candidates to at least try to dump. But even with that, i don't think that number is too outrageous.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:31 pm

Banedon wrote:Seems odd that it goes down for 2019 and then back up for the two following years.

Will help in Bryce’s first year for real cash outlays since we shed some good payroll in 2020 and 2021 (obviously some needs to be made up and arby raises). Plus don’t want to entirely incentivize him from opting out by loading first two years.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:34 pm

David wrote:

“In person, you don’t look like a guy I only have to throw with 60% effort to get out.”
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Postby Banedon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:35 pm

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Banedon wrote:Seems odd that it goes down for 2019 and then back up for the two following years.


Maybe an incentive to keep him from opting out?

Any way you slice this I love this deal though.


Yeah, I get the points on it possibly being related to Harper, but I think you're right...I think it's incentive to not opt out.
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Postby javy knows my name » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:37 pm

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“In person, you don’t look like a guy I only have to throw with 60% effort to get out.”


Speaking of in-person, Heyward is the most physically imposing human I've ever seen. He made guys like Rizzo, Bryant and Schwarbs look puny in comparison
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby David » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:39 pm

Darvish had tweeted a pic of his jersey in his locker and then immediately took it down for some reason.

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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:40 pm

squally1313 wrote:This is the roughest math possible, but with those details, the Cubs have the following lined up for 2019:

Locked in ($130m): 10 players
Heyward, Lester, Darvish, Zobrist, Chatwood, Morrow, Rizzo, Cishek, Duensing, Smyly

Options picked up: 2 players, $19m
Quintana $10.5
Strop $6.3

Arbitration (guess): 9 players, $45m
Bryant $16
Hendricks $8
Russell $7
Grimm $3
LaStella $1
Baez $3
Montgomery $2
Schwarber $3
Edwards $2

That's $194m for 21 spots, 3 minimums plus...$40m a year puts us around $235. Obviously Zobrist, Heyward, Smyly, etc are candidates to at least try to dump. But even with that, i don't think that number is too outrageous.

Dumping Zobrist, Monty and Grimm would clear $19 million in aav and a little less in actual paid money, fwiw. But yeah it’s not hard to see how we can fit Bryce with a reasonable small/easy trade (non-tender Grimm and let Maples, Azolay, etc. take his spot) attach Zobrist with Monty (let him start somewhere with Smyly back and hopefully a few prospects advancing his spot is filled). Or it’s not even hard to see Theo getting the green light from Ricketts to go FU mode and be able to get Bryce without having to make moves to clear salary since ~$230 in payroll isn’t crazy over the cap.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Banedon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:56 pm

PC about to start. Guessing CSN or whatever it's called now will carry it. It's also on FB live.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:05 pm

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ConstableRabbit wrote:Is homie rocking some Pradas?

Also, that's the closest to an in-focus shot Gordon has ever tweeted. And I think it's heavily optically zoomed in, too.


digitally you mean?

unless he's got one of fancy newfangled optical zoom phones

Yes, I meant digitally. There's no way he owns an optical zoom phone.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby David » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:14 pm

Yu's interpreter just said that Yu's agent was talking up the Cubs going back to last year's trade deadline, so, entirely unsurprisingly, suggests that we were probably involved in trade talks on him last summer.
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Postby Banedon » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:15 pm

LOL....someone asked if having Giminez in camp is helpful....Yu said "I like Contreras better".
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

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