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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Have a seat, Neifi » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:09 pm



I find this somewhat interesting:

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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:10 pm

As long as it's not after 1 year he can have an opt out every year starting after 2019 for all I care. And I don't even care all that much about an opt out after 2018.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby David » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:16 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:it keeps mind horsefeathers me that the cubs, who never ever ever sign a meaningful FA have signed Lester, Heyward (ok that was a miss,) Zobrist, and Darvish in 3 of the last 4 offseasons

edit: and will likely head into the 2019 offseason as favorites to sign Harper

edit again: im not counting dawson because that was weird and i was a child and yes i forgot about soriano BUT OTHER THAN THAT


alou was pretty big. at least as big as zobrist.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:22 pm

David wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:it keeps mind horsefeathers me that the cubs, who never ever ever sign a meaningful FA have signed Lester, Heyward (ok that was a miss,) Zobrist, and Darvish in 3 of the last 4 offseasons

edit: and will likely head into the 2019 offseason as favorites to sign Harper

edit again: im not counting dawson because that was weird and i was a child and yes i forgot about soriano BUT OTHER THAN THAT


alou was pretty big. at least as big as zobrist.



Ooooh yeah, that's a good one.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby gobigred » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:23 pm

Baseball reference projections

Year Tm Age W L W-L% ERA SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
2018 Proj. 31 9 10 .474 3.98 1 163.0 144 77 72 23 55 2 181 6 1 10 680 1.221 8.0 1.3 3.0 10.0 3.29 7
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:30 pm

I’m fine with an opt out after 2 years, would’ve hoped it was 3 but whatever. I wonder what the actual cash outlay is in the deal, wouldn’t be surprised if he’s getting around $60 million the first 2 years.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:32 pm

Who’s gonna break the news to Seal Boy he has to give up his number and loses his BFF?
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby chopsx9 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:32 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:


That's some next level math right there. He's going to feel like a fool though when it turns out Yu can opt out after 0 years.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Duke Silver » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:38 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Who’s gonna break the news to Seal Boy he has to give up his number and loses his BFF?


Ian Happ.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Duke Silver » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:45 pm

"But how are the Cubs going to build a pitching staff with no pitching prospects?!"
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Omar » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:46 pm

gobigred wrote:Baseball reference projections

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Year      Tm Age W  L W-L%  ERA SV    IP   H  R ER HR BB IBB  SO HBP BK WP  BF  WHIP  H9 HR9 BB9  SO9 SO/W Rel
2018   Proj.  31 9 10 .474 3.98  1 163.0 144 77 72 23 55   2 181   6  1 10 680 1.221 8.0 1.3 3.0 10.0 3.29 72%


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I hope he will put up more than 160 innings.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Bluescale » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:47 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:I’m fine with an opt out after 2 years, would’ve hoped it was 3 but whatever. I wonder what the actual cash outlay is in the deal, wouldn’t be surprised if he’s getting around $60 million the first 2 years.


That would mean for luxury tax calculations for the next two years, it would put the Cubs at $30M each year. Unless I'm mistaken, LT is calculated as the AAV of each segment until an opt-out. So I don't think the Cubs want to give him $30M a year for the first two, as that would put them over the cap. But it might be AAV of $25M guaranteed for 2 or 3 years, before it drops significantly.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Tim » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:49 pm

So glad I got a mixed case of Stone today. Got home and saw the news; took a whole bunch of it and tossed it in the snow to cool it off.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:03 pm

Bluescale wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:I’m fine with an opt out after 2 years, would’ve hoped it was 3 but whatever. I wonder what the actual cash outlay is in the deal, wouldn’t be surprised if he’s getting around $60 million the first 2 years.


That would mean for luxury tax calculations for the next two years, it would put the Cubs at $30M each year. Unless I'm mistaken, LT is calculated as the AAV of each segment until an opt-out. So I don't think the Cubs want to give him $30M a year for the first two, as that would put them over the cap. But it might be AAV of $25M guaranteed for 2 or 3 years, before it drops significantly.

I don’t think that’s how it works at all
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby JeffH » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:06 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Bluescale wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:I’m fine with an opt out after 2 years, would’ve hoped it was 3 but whatever. I wonder what the actual cash outlay is in the deal, wouldn’t be surprised if he’s getting around $60 million the first 2 years.


That would mean for luxury tax calculations for the next two years, it would put the Cubs at $30M each year. Unless I'm mistaken, LT is calculated as the AAV of each segment until an opt-out. So I don't think the Cubs want to give him $30M a year for the first two, as that would put them over the cap. But it might be AAV of $25M guaranteed for 2 or 3 years, before it drops significantly.

I don’t think that’s how it works at all


I don't think so, either. What you have to keep in mind is that the club is guaranteeing to pay the player the entirety of the deal. That, I believe, is the basis of the luxury tax calculation.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby OleMissCub » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:09 pm

gobigred wrote:Baseball reference projections

Year Tm Age W L W-L% ERA SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W
2018 Proj. 31 9 10 .474 3.98 1 163.0 144 77 72 23 55 2 181 6 1 10 680 1.221 8.0 1.3 3.0 10.0 3.29 7


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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby gobigred » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:11 pm

10-7-10 are the amount he has won the last 3 seasons he has pitched...he better be better than that for 20+ million
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Bluescale » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:12 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:I don’t think that’s how it works at all


I'm pretty sure it is, but of course I can't find the details right now.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:17 pm

Omar wrote:
gobigred wrote:Baseball reference projections

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Year      Tm Age W  L W-L%  ERA SV    IP   H  R ER HR BB IBB  SO HBP BK WP  BF  WHIP  H9 HR9 BB9  SO9 SO/W Rel
2018   Proj.  31 9 10 .474 3.98  1 163.0 144 77 72 23 55   2 181   6  1 10 680 1.221 8.0 1.3 3.0 10.0 3.29 72%


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I hope he will put up more than 160 innings.

Does seem a little light, but I expect this year to be much like 2016 where the regular season is essentially semantics and we’ll be able to limit innings and skip starts/go 6-man rotation the last month+
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:19 pm

Bluescale wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:I don’t think that’s how it works at all


I'm pretty sure it is, but of course I can't find the details right now.

It’s not. It’s the total potential guaranteed amount divided by potential guaranteed years. If incentives/bonuses are hit in a given year it will be adjusted accordingly for that year. The opt outs and how he actual money is paid out don’t matter.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:26 pm

gobigred wrote:10-7-10 are the amount he has won the last 3 seasons he has pitched...he better be better than that for 20+ million


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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby bukie » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:28 pm

From my FB feed: "Darvish, meh. Probably going to be the next Soriano for the Cubs."

To which I can't even begin to dissect the wrong.

Like, so wrong, it circles back again to right.
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Re: Darvish to Cubs, 6/$126 Million + Incentives

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:33 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Omar wrote:
gobigred wrote:Baseball reference projections

Code: Select all

                                                                                                             
Year      Tm Age W  L W-L%  ERA SV    IP   H  R ER HR BB IBB  SO HBP BK WP  BF  WHIP  H9 HR9 BB9  SO9 SO/W Rel
2018   Proj.  31 9 10 .474 3.98  1 163.0 144 77 72 23 55   2 181   6  1 10 680 1.221 8.0 1.3 3.0 10.0 3.29 72%


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I hope he will put up more than 160 innings.

Does seem a little light, but I expect this year to be much like 2016 where the regular season is essentially semantics and we’ll be able to limit innings and skip starts/go 6-man rotation the last month+

Yeah, I hope that is the case. What is jarring is that they have him projected for more losses than wins. That's silly. Was this proj made without knowledge of what team he was playing on?
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