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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby NonProfitCow » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:14 am

Hosmer to San Diego
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Postby 17 Seconds » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:18 am

8 years with an opt out after 5, got damn
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:21 am

17 Seconds wrote:8 years with an opt out after 5, got damn

What the hell
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:24 am

Really risky given his up and down career.

For his last 5 years he's 0 war one year and 3+ the next and has kept that pattern.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby 17 Seconds » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:47 am

144 million guaranteed
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby Bluescale » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:55 am



He'll be easily worth it every other year.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby davell » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:19 am

Preller showing off the savvy once again for the baseball world to behold.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby 17 Seconds » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:24 am

dave cameron tweeted this a few weeks before taking a job with the padres

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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby Duke Silver » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:32 am

Dave Cameron would be dumb enough to go work for A.J. Preller.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby Duke Silver » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:37 am

Thank god we have Theo.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby davell » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:55 am

17 Seconds wrote:dave cameron tweeted this a few weeks before taking a job with the padres



Obviously, he's taking his time developing that shiny new analytics department.

Or he rage quits tonight, if Fangraphs will take him back.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:20 am

This is their rebuild version of signing Pujols/Fielder instead of trading for a Rizzo and/or waiting out their prospect development to spend the FA money. So dumb. Lots of money for grit and leadership
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby XZero77 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:52 am

Amazing.


I feel bad for Padres fans.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby jehr » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:09 am

Padres fans now know how I felt when we signed Soriano... Ownership picking the wrong year and the wrong guy to open the pocketbook for.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:55 pm

Didn't the Royals have something like a 7/145+ offer on the table? Preller just saved them from themselves, IMO. Time for them to rebuild, and every pick + bonus pool $ they gain/save will help.
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Hosmer to the Padres - 8 Years $144M

Postby David » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:58 pm





I can't decide what I think of this in terms of value. This isn't a horrific deal if he can be the 2015 and 2017 guy much more often than the 2014 and 2016 guy.

And yet I'm still incredibly confused by what the Padres are doing here and why it took that to get him.
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby David » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:05 pm

are we really at the point where we're megathreading a $150M 8 year free agent signing in an offseason where nothing has happened?

i think i'm going to crusade against these things again
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby Derwood » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:16 pm

David wrote:are we really at the point where we're megathreading a $150M 8 year free agent signing in an offseason where nothing has happened?

i think i'm going to crusade against these things again


It’s a player who doesn’t affect us signing with a team that doesn’t affect us. I’m fine with the mega thread
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Re: Offseason Transactions

Postby David » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:24 pm

Derwood wrote:
David wrote:are we really at the point where we're megathreading a $150M 8 year free agent signing in an offseason where nothing has happened?

i think i'm going to crusade against these things again


It’s a player who doesn’t affect us signing with a team that doesn’t affect us. I’m fine with the mega thread


yeah you're right with this mess of threads being constantly created it would just be stupid to have a specific place to discuss it
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Re: Hosmer to the Padres - 8 Years $144M

Postby Geech » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:42 pm

It seems like a completely preposterous deal to me, but I also know that fans are always behind the curve on free agent values. I think it's possible that he basically lives up to deal like Soriano did (without approaching Soriano's performance peak).

Still, it doesn't seem like a good fit for the Padres.
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Re: Hosmer to the Padres - 8 Years $144M

Postby BigbadB » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:08 pm

I guess the shift of Myers to 1b wasn't because he couldn't play outfield anymore. He's only logged 50 games in the outfield in the last 3 years, and 40 of those were in 2015.
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Re: Hosmer to the Padres - 8 Years $144M

Postby Bertz » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:16 pm

This signing is so weird. It requires you to make three pretty big assumptions.

1. He is legitimately good, and this being 'bad every other year' nonsense he's done for most of his career is done.

2. They're much further along than it looks like from the outside. In my opinion, buying a guy a year early is fine if you're convinced he's the right guy. But are the Padres only a year away? Their team is still a disaster and aren't most of their prospects slated more for 2019-2020?

3. There's very real value to Hosmer's intangibles, and that value will definitely transfer to a brand new clubhouse.

I'm sympathetic to each of those three assumptions in isolation, but operating as if all three are true is a big leap of faith. If Hosmer was a shortstop maybe you just have to pull the trigger because they don't come around as often, but 1b are so plentiful in the game right now. I feel like it would have been better to sign LoMo and tried to get those intangibles elsewhere. Maybe something like Greg Holland + Miguel Montero?
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Re: Hosmer to the Padres - 8 Years $144M

Postby toonsterwu » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:33 pm

I guess this is their version of Gil Meche (when he signed with the Royals) or Jayson Werth (with the Nationals). It's a "we're close" move at a decent enough price. They are close ... their assets coming up could form a strong foundational core in the next year or two, and the team in of itself seems ... interesting ... (on paper) for 2018. A potentially strong pen, some rotation pieces, and a maybe the foundations of a decent lineup.

That said, they are in the NL West, which looks to have several "ascending" teams (to go along with the Padres, the Rockies system is strong, and the Diamondbacks look headed in the right direction, even if they regress a bit) to go with the Dodgers, plus the last gasp from the Giants.

I don't particularly like the move, but I understand it.
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Re: Hosmer to the Padres - 8 Years $144M

Postby Tim » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:42 pm

Bertz wrote:This signing is so weird. It requires you to make three pretty big assumptions.

1. He is legitimately good, and this being 'bad every other year' nonsense he's done for most of his career is done.

2. They're much further along than it looks like from the outside. In my opinion, buying a guy a year early is fine if you're convinced he's the right guy. But are the Padres only a year away? Their team is still a disaster and aren't most of their prospects slated more for 2019-2020?

3. There's very real value to Hosmer's intangibles, and that value will definitely transfer to a brand new clubhouse.

I'm sympathetic to each of those three assumptions in isolation, but operating as if all three are true is a big leap of faith. If Hosmer was a shortstop maybe you just have to pull the trigger because they don't come around as often, but 1b are so plentiful in the game right now. I feel like it would have been better to sign LoMo and tried to get those intangibles elsewhere. Maybe something like Greg Holland + Miguel Montero?

You also have to have confidence that his skillset is going to age well.
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