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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:33 pm

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It's bad because it's bad.


hell yeah the kind of in-depth horsefeathers i like


I already gave the in-depth of why it's bad. They went from the 2015 Royals to the 2017 Cardinals.


this is so bleacher nationy that im surprised that goober hasn't posted it as a headline yet
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:34 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:"They potentially got worse defensively at 2 IF spots" does not equal "they got worse as a team."


Villar: .304 wOBA this year, .313 career
Schoop: .306 wOBA this year, .320 career

Trading for Villar for Schoop and moving him to SS is an objective downgrade, not just inefficient.

Moustakas can hit better than the Brewers 2B, but Shaw is also high risk for being worse than expected at 2B, they gave up a nontrivial trade asset to make that happen, and there's also not a huge difference in Moustakas's bat and what you'd expect from an amalgamation of existing 2B options(never mind other trade targets).

This isn't reflexive hating of a rival here, I'm the guy who was high on the Gerrit Cole deal, for example. That also illustrates that I might be very wrong, it's happened many times. But to me, trading for not good players so you can make your team's one elite strength actively worse is just dumb.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:38 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:"They potentially got worse defensively at 2 IF spots" does not equal "they got worse as a team."


Villar: .304 wOBA this year, .313 career
Schoop: .306 wOBA this year, .320 career

Trading for Villar for Schoop and moving him to SS is an objective downgrade, not just inefficient.

Moustakas can hit better than the Brewers 2B, but Shaw is also high risk for being worse than expected at 2B, they gave up a nontrivial trade asset to make that happen, and there's also not a huge difference in Moustakas's bat and what you'd expect from an amalgamation of existing 2B options(never mind other trade targets).

This isn't reflexive hating of a rival here, I'm the guy who was high on the Gerrit Cole deal, for example. That also illustrates that I might be very wrong, it's happened many times. But to me, trading for not good players so you can make your team's one elite strength actively worse is just dumb.

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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby bcl412 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:40 pm

I feel like the Brewers moves is something I would have done in MLB the show or something. I don’t know what any of that means aside from I’m bored at work and I decided to write some words
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby Duke Silver » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:43 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:
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hell yeah the kind of in-depth horsefeathers i like


I already gave the in-depth of why it's bad. They went from the 2015 Royals to the 2017 Cardinals.


this is so bleacher nationy that im surprised that goober hasn't posted it as a headline yet


I've got the article already written if Brett would like to post it.

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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:46 pm

Duke Silver wrote:I've got the article already written if Brett would like to post it.


I thought we included non-compete language in your contract.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:46 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:"They potentially got worse defensively at 2 IF spots" does not equal "they got worse as a team."


Villar: .304 wOBA this year, .313 career
Schoop: .306 wOBA this year, .320 career

Trading for Villar for Schoop and moving him to SS is an objective downgrade, not just inefficient.

Moustakas can hit better than the Brewers 2B, but Shaw is also high risk for being worse than expected at 2B, they gave up a nontrivial trade asset to make that happen, and there's also not a huge difference in Moustakas's bat and what you'd expect from an amalgamation of existing 2B options(never mind other trade targets).

This isn't reflexive hating of a rival here, I'm the guy who was high on the Gerrit Cole deal, for example. That also illustrates that I might be very wrong, it's happened many times. But to me, trading for not good players so you can make your team's one elite strength actively worse is just dumb.

And, IF defense downgrades aren't insignificant for a team like Milwaukee. Their starters are in the bottom half of MLB in K% and they have the 8th worse hard contact rate. They need to convert balls in play into outs to keep this up.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:49 pm

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Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:"They potentially got worse defensively at 2 IF spots" does not equal "they got worse as a team."


Villar: .304 wOBA this year, .313 career
Schoop: .306 wOBA this year, .320 career

Trading for Villar for Schoop and moving him to SS is an objective downgrade, not just inefficient.

Moustakas can hit better than the Brewers 2B, but Shaw is also high risk for being worse than expected at 2B, they gave up a nontrivial trade asset to make that happen, and there's also not a huge difference in Moustakas's bat and what you'd expect from an amalgamation of existing 2B options(never mind other trade targets).

This isn't reflexive hating of a rival here, I'm the guy who was high on the Gerrit Cole deal, for example. That also illustrates that I might be very wrong, it's happened many times. But to me, trading for not good players so you can make your team's one elite strength actively worse is just dumb.

And, IF defense downgrades aren't insignificant for a team like Milwaukee. Their starters are in the bottom half of MLB in K% and they have the 8th worse hard contact rate. They need to convert balls in play into outs to keep this up.


We should trade them kintzler
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:53 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:
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Villar: .304 wOBA this year, .313 career
Schoop: .306 wOBA this year, .320 career

Trading for Villar for Schoop and moving him to SS is an objective downgrade, not just inefficient.

Moustakas can hit better than the Brewers 2B, but Shaw is also high risk for being worse than expected at 2B, they gave up a nontrivial trade asset to make that happen, and there's also not a huge difference in Moustakas's bat and what you'd expect from an amalgamation of existing 2B options(never mind other trade targets).

This isn't reflexive hating of a rival here, I'm the guy who was high on the Gerrit Cole deal, for example. That also illustrates that I might be very wrong, it's happened many times. But to me, trading for not good players so you can make your team's one elite strength actively worse is just dumb.

And, IF defense downgrades aren't insignificant for a team like Milwaukee. Their starters are in the bottom half of MLB in K% and they have the 8th worse hard contact rate. They need to convert balls in play into outs to keep this up.


We should trade them kintzler

I, too, am looking forward to your Front Page article complaining about our 6th best reliever.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:57 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:
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ConstableRabbit wrote:And, IF defense downgrades aren't insignificant for a team like Milwaukee. Their starters are in the bottom half of MLB in K% and they have the 8th worse hard contact rate. They need to convert balls in play into outs to keep this up.


We should trade them kintzler

I, too, am looking forward to your Front Page article complaining about our 6th best reliever.


Sorry this was a joke about kintzler’s sexy soft contact rate.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby toonsterwu » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:19 pm

Holy crap, that looks like a heck of a deal for the Rays for Archer.

Interesting thing on the Orioles deals is it sure looks like Duquette's talk about focusing on international spending is true. Gotta think Victor Victor Mesa is there's ... you don't make these moves to add money unless you have a place to spend it.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby 17 Seconds » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:20 pm

it's just a little weird that this board has spent 4 months making fun of the small market brewers at every stop when they've played even with the cubs the entire season. we all make fun of brewerfan.net (as we should), but you could just as easily look at it from the other side and marvel at how cocky/defensive a lot of people on nsbb are about the cubs this season. it honestly starts to feel like post-2004 boston sports arrogance at times.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:26 pm

17 Seconds wrote:it's just a little weird that this board has spent 4 months making fun of the small market brewers at every stop when they've played even with the cubs the entire season. we all make fun of brewerfan.net (as we should), but you could just as easily look at it from the other side and marvel at how cocky/defensive a lot of people on nsbb are about the cubs this season. it honestly starts to feel like post-2004 boston sports arrogance at times.


The Cubs are on pace to get as much value from Bryant, Rizzo, and Darvish combined as Bryant provided last year, and they have the best record in the national league.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:30 pm

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17 Seconds wrote:it's just a little weird that this board has spent 4 months making fun of the small market brewers at every stop when they've played even with the cubs the entire season. we all make fun of brewerfan.net (as we should), but you could just as easily look at it from the other side and marvel at how cocky/defensive a lot of people on nsbb are about the cubs this season. it honestly starts to feel like post-2004 boston sports arrogance at times.


The Cubs are on pace to get as much value from Bryant, Rizzo, and Darvish combined as Bryant provided, and they have the best record in the national league.


right, no one is saying the cubs are actually bad or that the brewers are as good as the cubs are now because they traded for jonathan schoop, it's just that the reaction to the brewers moves now is bordering on parody.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby Duke Silver » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:31 pm

We know how much egg those post-2004 Red Sox fans got on their face after their team won 2 more World Series and had 6 90-win seasons in the following decade.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:32 pm

Duke Silver wrote:We know how much egg those post-2004 Red Sox fans got on their face after their team won 2 more World Series and had 6 90-win seasons in the following decade.


do you think that their dumb cockiness contributed to the WS wins
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby Duke Silver » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:34 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:
Duke Silver wrote:We know how much egg those post-2004 Red Sox fans got on their face after their team won 2 more World Series and had 6 90-win seasons in the following decade.


do you think that their dumb cockiness contributed to the WS wins


I think they had reason to be cocky.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby 17 Seconds » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:34 pm

Duke Silver wrote:We know how much egg those post-2004 Red Sox fans got on their face after their team won 2 more World Series and had 6 90-win seasons in the following decade.


what the point in even talking to you of you're going to willfully miss the point like this.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby Duke Silver » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:36 pm

17 Seconds wrote:
Duke Silver wrote:We know how much egg those post-2004 Red Sox fans got on their face after their team won 2 more World Series and had 6 90-win seasons in the following decade.


what the point in even talking to you of you're going to willfully miss the point like this.


What is the point? Not enjoying our success is how we should behave?
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:37 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:
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17 Seconds wrote:it's just a little weird that this board has spent 4 months making fun of the small market brewers at every stop when they've played even with the cubs the entire season. we all make fun of brewerfan.net (as we should), but you could just as easily look at it from the other side and marvel at how cocky/defensive a lot of people on nsbb are about the cubs this season. it honestly starts to feel like post-2004 boston sports arrogance at times.


The Cubs are on pace to get as much value from Bryant, Rizzo, and Darvish combined as Bryant provided, and they have the best record in the national league.


right, no one is saying the cubs are actually bad or that the brewers are as good as the cubs are now because they traded for jonathan schoop, it's just that the reaction to the brewers moves now is bordering on parody.

When the Brewers don't make an odd or bad move the move won't be made fun of
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Duke Silver wrote:
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Duke Silver wrote:We know how much egg those post-2004 Red Sox fans got on their face after their team won 2 more World Series and had 6 90-win seasons in the following decade.


what the point in even talking to you of you're going to willfully miss the point like this.


What is the point? Not enjoying our success is how we should behave?


lmao come the horsefeathers on
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby 17 Seconds » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:38 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
17 Seconds wrote:it's just a little weird that this board has spent 4 months making fun of the small market brewers at every stop when they've played even with the cubs the entire season. we all make fun of brewerfan.net (as we should), but you could just as easily look at it from the other side and marvel at how cocky/defensive a lot of people on nsbb are about the cubs this season. it honestly starts to feel like post-2004 boston sports arrogance at times.


The Cubs are on pace to get as much value from Bryant, Rizzo, and Darvish combined as Bryant provided last year, and they have the best record in the national league.


wtf are you guys even talking about? this is not a discussion about how good the cubs are. yeah my doom boner is annoying but you guys have turned into complete children over anyone who questions your sports team.
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby David » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:52 pm

This is so horsefeathering dumb. The Cubs have averaged something like over 95 wins a year and haven't missed an NLCS since 2014. I'm going to act like it. Being a fan is supposed to be fun. It's not that serious.
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Postby 17 Seconds » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:56 pm

David wrote:This is so horsefeathering dumb. The Cubs have averaged something like over 95 wins a year and haven't missed an NLCS since 2014. I'm going to act like it. Being a fan is supposed to be fun. It's not that serious.


you dont strike me as cocky, just confident
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Re: Regular Season Rumors

Postby ConstableRabbit » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:58 pm

17 Seconds wrote:
David wrote:This is so horsefeathering dumb. The Cubs have averaged something like over 95 wins a year and haven't missed an NLCS since 2014. I'm going to act like it. Being a fan is supposed to be fun. It's not that serious.


you dont strike me as cocky, just confident

One man's cocky is another man's... horsefeathers it CUBZ RULE BREWERS DROOL
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