Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Bertz
Starter
Posts: 660
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:59 pm
x 271
x 322

Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby Bertz » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:13 pm

0 x

CaliforniaRaisin
Inner-Circle HOF
Posts: 90449
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:20 pm
Location: Pasadena, CA
x 568
x 2796

Re: Brad Hand to Cleveland

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:18 pm

Will be interesting to see what San Diego gets. Brad Hand's trade value is more significant to the Cubs' interests than Machado's value.
0 x
Image

User avatar
Transmogrified Tiger
Inner-Circle HOF
Posts: 55638
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2003 4:23 pm
Location: Greater St. Louis
x 421
x 5825

Re: Brad Hand to Cleveland

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:20 pm

Cimber also going to Cleveland with Hand, Mejia the headliner going to San Diego.

This feels a whole lot like the Samardzija/Hammel deal.
0 x

Bertz
Starter
Posts: 660
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:59 pm
x 271
x 322

Re: Brad Hand to Cleveland

Postby Bertz » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:24 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Cimber also going to Cleveland with Hand, Mejia the headliner going to San Diego.

This feels a whole lot like the Samardzija/Hammel deal.


Or like when the Nats got Doolittle and Madson in the same deal. One stop shopping to fix the bullpen.
0 x

User avatar
Transmogrified Tiger
Inner-Circle HOF
Posts: 55638
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2003 4:23 pm
Location: Greater St. Louis
x 421
x 5825

Re: Brad Hand to Cleveland

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:25 pm

Bertz wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Cimber also going to Cleveland with Hand, Mejia the headliner going to San Diego.

This feels a whole lot like the Samardzija/Hammel deal.


Or like when the Nats got Doolittle and Madson in the same deal. One stop shopping to fix the bullpen.


I was also thinking of the angle that they're getting a prospect that neither individual would fetch alone, but has lost a little bit of luster since the start of the season(Russell/Mejia).
1 x

CaliforniaRaisin
Inner-Circle HOF
Posts: 90449
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:20 pm
Location: Pasadena, CA
x 568
x 2796

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejia

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:32 pm

Just those 3 in the trade:

0 x
Image

Post Count Padder
Superstar
Posts: 14727
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:51 pm
Location: In your dreams
x 28
x 110

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejia

Postby Post Count Padder » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:46 pm

Interesting trade.

Going off this then, would something like Albertos for Tyson Ross and Kirby Yates be something people would be willing to do?
0 x
formerly known as PriorPower
formerly known as the guy with Huston Street in his sig

:flythew:

User avatar
Cubswin11
Hall of Fame
Posts: 22525
Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:17 pm
x 5625
x 4307

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejia

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:47 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:Interesting trade.

Going off this then, would something like Albertos for Tyson Ross and Kirby Yates be something people would be willing to do?

Absolutely I’d rather have Richard than Ross though
0 x
Screw Pitchers

User avatar
Cubswin11
Hall of Fame
Posts: 22525
Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:17 pm
x 5625
x 4307

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:54 pm

I don’t think Hand was a realistic target for us, so I’m glad the Indians got this done now because they were definitely getting a RP(s) and should be out on the more reasonable targets for us (Yates, Britton, Conley, Barraclaugh, etc).
Last edited by Cubswin11 on Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
0 x
Screw Pitchers

User avatar
KingCubsFan
All-Star
Posts: 3494
Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:39 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
x 40

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejia

Postby KingCubsFan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:55 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:Interesting trade.

Going off this then, would something like Albertos for Tyson Ross and Kirby Yates be something people would be willing to do?

Albertos is pretty worthless at this point.
0 x

User avatar
sneakypower
Javy Baez Fanclub President
Posts: 11726
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:58 am
Location: behind the boathouse
x 535
x 929

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejia

Postby sneakypower » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:59 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:Interesting trade.

Going off this then, would something like Albertos for Tyson Ross and Kirby Yates be something people would be willing to do?

well yeah sure unless 'people' is AJ Preller
1 x

User avatar
sneakypower
Javy Baez Fanclub President
Posts: 11726
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:58 am
Location: behind the boathouse
x 535
x 929

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejia

Postby sneakypower » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:02 pm

sneakypower wrote:
Post Count Padder wrote:Interesting trade.

Going off this then, would something like Albertos for Tyson Ross and Kirby Yates be something people would be willing to do?

well yeah sure unless 'people' is AJ Preller

3.77, hm that's serviceable i guess

oh...that's his whip??
1 x

Post Count Padder
Superstar
Posts: 14727
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:51 pm
Location: In your dreams
x 28
x 110

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby Post Count Padder » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:05 pm

I'm just thinking out loud. Albertos was very recently our top prospect and and is still very young and has potential. He's having a very forgettable year. Because of that are we saying he is now actually useless as a trade chip/prospect?
0 x
formerly known as PriorPower
formerly known as the guy with Huston Street in his sig

:flythew:

davell
Hall of Fame
Posts: 21364
Joined: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:55 pm
x 1789
x 2282

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby davell » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:17 pm

Hes not useless. But, he's not tradeable right now.
0 x
Additional rule: you have to have one or the other.The only exception is you have an amazing board name. davell, I'm looking at you; put up a [expletive] avatar or something if your name only sounds like somebody tried say Dave as they lapsed into a coma.

User avatar
KingCubsFan
All-Star
Posts: 3494
Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:39 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
x 40

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby KingCubsFan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:00 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:I'm just thinking out loud. Albertos was very recently our top prospect and and is still very young and has potential. He's having a very forgettable year. Because of that are we saying he is now actually useless as a trade chip/prospect?

Certainly useless as a trade chip.
0 x

User avatar
TBS Playoffs Insider
Turdologist
Posts: 32478
Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:57 am
x 2179
x 5598
Contact:

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:27 pm

you could get more value out of me in a trade because i could actually write the press release announcing the trade
7 x
Duke Silver wrote:You've never been right about anything. You bitch and moan at the slightest hint of things not going right ... Suck my ass, you whiny little bitch.

User avatar
Duke Silver
Superstar
Posts: 11349
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:45 am
x 12501
x 9099

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby Duke Silver » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:43 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:you could get more value out of me in a trade because i could actually write the press release announcing the trade


tHe PaDrEs HaVe TrAdEd TySoN rOsS aNd KiRbY yAtEs FoR tBs PlAyOfF iNsIdEr.
8 x

User avatar
Hairyducked Idiot
Kyle in disguise
Posts: 33765
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:42 pm
Location: Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
x 1667
x 1581

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:26 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:I'm just thinking out loud. Albertos was very recently our top prospect and and is still very young and has potential. He's having a very forgettable year. Because of that are we saying he is now actually useless as a trade chip/prospect?


There's some space between valuable enough for that proposed trade to work and useless.
0 x

User avatar
TBS Playoffs Insider
Turdologist
Posts: 32478
Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:57 am
x 2179
x 5598
Contact:

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 pm

i know mejia was blocked but that's a top 10 prospect for a freakin reliever
0 x
Duke Silver wrote:You've never been right about anything. You bitch and moan at the slightest hint of things not going right ... Suck my ass, you whiny little bitch.

User avatar
Agony and Ivy
All-Star
Posts: 2848
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:10 pm
Location: Austin TX
x 1491
x 742

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby Agony and Ivy » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:37 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i know mejia was blocked but that's a top 10 prospect for a freakin reliever


Yeah but it's like a decade worth of control. Hand has all of this year and then 19, 20 and 21. Cimber has been really impressive and he's got less than a year of service time.
0 x

User avatar
Regular Show
All-Star
Posts: 1872
Joined: Mon May 16, 2016 10:16 am
Location: Chicago, IL
x 1499
x 528

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby Regular Show » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:02 am

Agony and Ivy wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i know mejia was blocked but that's a top 10 prospect for a freakin reliever


Yeah but it's like a decade worth of control. Hand has all of this year and then 19, 20 and 21. Cimber has been really impressive and he's got less than a year of service time.


Yeah, the amount of years of team control is crazy. Cimber is a good arm and I think this is a great trade for Cleveland.

I thought they were sending Mejia+. I mean Mejia might not even stick at C, and his bat might regress. Lots of ways this trade goes south for SD.
0 x
"It was met with, basically, he didn't want to talk about that. He didn't want me to tell him that. I just basically said, 'Well that's why we want an electronic strike zone.'" -- Ben Zobrist

User avatar
TBS Playoffs Insider
Turdologist
Posts: 32478
Joined: Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:57 am
x 2179
x 5598
Contact:

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:04 am

Regular Show wrote:
Agony and Ivy wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i know mejia was blocked but that's a top 10 prospect for a freakin reliever


Yeah but it's like a decade worth of control. Hand has all of this year and then 19, 20 and 21. Cimber has been really impressive and he's got less than a year of service time.


Yeah, the amount of years of team control is crazy. Cimber is a good arm and I think this is a great trade for Cleveland.

I thought they were sending Mejia+. I mean Mejia might not even stick at C, and his bat might regress. Lots of ways this trade goes south for SD.


huh? this trade literally cannot go south because SD is a terrible team and they turned a reliever into what should be an impact bat. Even if Mejia never pans out they got a top 5 prospect for ... relievers. Last year when they tried to move Hand no one offered anything close to Mejia, so this is a huge win for them
0 x
Duke Silver wrote:You've never been right about anything. You bitch and moan at the slightest hint of things not going right ... Suck my ass, you whiny little bitch.

User avatar
Regular Show
All-Star
Posts: 1872
Joined: Mon May 16, 2016 10:16 am
Location: Chicago, IL
x 1499
x 528

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby Regular Show » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:14 am

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:
Regular Show wrote:
Agony and Ivy wrote:
Yeah but it's like a decade worth of control. Hand has all of this year and then 19, 20 and 21. Cimber has been really impressive and he's got less than a year of service time.


Yeah, the amount of years of team control is crazy. Cimber is a good arm and I think this is a great trade for Cleveland.

I thought they were sending Mejia+. I mean Mejia might not even stick at C, and his bat might regress. Lots of ways this trade goes south for SD.


huh? this trade literally cannot go south because SD is a terrible team and they turned a reliever into what should be an impact bat. Even if Mejia never pans out they got a top 5 prospect for ... relievers. Last year when they tried to move Hand no one offered anything close to Mejia, so this is a huge win for them


The opportunity cost is a real thing. Other teams were probably offering prospect packages for Hand + Cimber as well. Probably no prospect as good as Mejia, but more prospects in return. Sometimes unranked prospects or lower ranked prospects end up being really good players.

I'm not super high on Mejia and think he's slightly overrated. We'll see what happens.
0 x
"It was met with, basically, he didn't want to talk about that. He didn't want me to tell him that. I just basically said, 'Well that's why we want an electronic strike zone.'" -- Ben Zobrist

toonsterwu
All-Star
Posts: 4454
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:10 am
x 41

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby toonsterwu » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:35 am

A great win for the Padres ... an understandable move for the Indians.

I think this is a huge win for the Padres. They got an elite positional prospect. Those guys don't get moved much. I think he can stick at catcher, but if not, he'll get a chance somewhere. Brad Hand is nice, but a good pro scouting department should be able to find failed starters to try in the pen.

As for the Indians, their window is now. Their pen's regressed badly, and this was a one-stop fix. Cimber looks like a capable pen arm. For a team trying to win now, it makes enough sense.
0 x

User avatar
SouthSideRyan
is ELL
Posts: 49450
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:08 am
Location: Chicago Loop
x 496
x 1376

Re: Brad Hand & Adam Cimber to Cleveland for Francisco Mejía

Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:17 am

Toonster determines the team receiving the prospect won the trade
2 x
Exile on Waveland wrote: IU smells like poop.


Return to “Transactions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Named After Maddux and 9 guests