Cubs Acquire Cole Hamels for Eddie Butler, Rollie Lacy & PTBNL

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Re: Cole Hamels

Postby KingCubsFan » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:13 am

Rollie Lacy scratched tonight, per Mooney
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Postby UMFan83 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:26 am

Would it be at all bad to have 4 lefties in the rotation assuming it’s Lester/Quintana/Montgomery/Hamels/Hendricks (the righty)?
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Re: Cole Hamels

Postby David » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:35 am

UMFan83 wrote:Would it be at all bad to have 4 lefties in the rotation assuming it’s Lester/Quintana/Montgomery/Hamels/Hendricks (the righty)?


The dodgers are significantly worse against lefties again, but not as awful as they used to be in 2016
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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:43 am

Theo always gets his man

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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby UMFan83 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:45 am

Imagine our rotation back in 2014
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby UMFan83 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:46 am

More confirmation:

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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:49 am

Alright I guess let’s go. I’ll buy in to the road numbers and “veteranness”

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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Liam Neeson » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:50 am

Cubswin11 wrote:Alright I guess let’s go. I’ll buy in to the road numbers and “veteranness”

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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Brian » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:53 am

Until I see him suck, I'm into this move with more pitcher friendly parks, playing meaningful baseball and Cubs super defense behind him.
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Re: Cole Hamels

Postby Bertz » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:53 am

David wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Would it be at all bad to have 4 lefties in the rotation assuming it’s Lester/Quintana/Montgomery/Hamels/Hendricks (the righty)?


The dodgers are significantly worse against lefties again, but not as awful as they used to be in 2016


Phillies are much worse as well.

Conversely, the Braves murder lefties (which is why they gave us so much trouble)
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:55 am

Woohoo, love me some Cole Hamels and have seen him as a fit as this org for a long time under this FO. Great pitcher and I believe he has plenty of arm left for this stretch
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Brian » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:56 am

He's got a kind of an annoying 6 million dollar buyout (on a 20 million dollar option) next year, but I guess if the plan is to blow by the luxury tax it doesn't really matter.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby 17 Seconds » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:56 am

if we aren't getting somebody good, then get another hamels type, eliminate chatwood, and go with a 6 man rotation until someone sucks enough to be removed
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby ScrubMD » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:58 am

I went the Phillies/Reds playoff game back in like 2010 or whatever when Hamels shut out the Reds for the sweep....Hopefully he pitches like that.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby toonsterwu » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:00 am

Sounds like a good deal. I wouldn't want Hamels long term, but he's had a nice bounce back this season, and it seems like the Rangers are eating a lot of the deal and we're not giving up some top level talent, so all in all ... okay. Should add some stability to the back end of the rotation.

Fangraphs has him using the cutter a lot more. Wonder if that continues in the NL and in Wrigley.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby CubinNY » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:01 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Woohoo, love me some Cole Hamels and have seen him as a fit as this org for a long time under this FO. Great pitcher and I believe he has plenty of arm left for this stretch

You are nothing if not consistent.

However, I like this move too. I’m also glad Theo has seen the wisdom of my point of view that I’ve never expressed publicly before.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Bertz » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:03 am

toonsterwu wrote:Sounds like a good deal. I wouldn't want Hamels long term, but he's had a nice bounce back this season, and it seems like the Rangers are eating a lot of the deal and we're not giving up some top level talent, so all in all ... okay. Should add some stability to the back end of the rotation.

Fangraphs has him using the cutter a lot more. Wonder if that continues in the NL and in Wrigley.




I don't know if that's inside info or just an example of the type of thing they could have in mind.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby mikeyt34 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:10 am

Hamels was scheduled to pitch Saturday for Texas. I wonder if they slide him into a spot for this weekend in St. Louis or wait until Chatwood's next spot. Chatwood needs to go to the bullpen and leave Monty where he is IMO.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:11 am

Brian wrote:He's got a kind of an annoying 6 million dollar buyout (on a 20 million dollar option) next year, but I guess if the plan is to blow by the luxury tax it doesn't really matter.


I have a feeling the Rangers will be paying that buyout.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:12 am

Even as-is, he's at least a little better than Chatwood.

But ... meh. I'm not convinced the Cubs' ability to "fix" pitchers is distinguishable from the random variance of pitcher performance.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby ScrubMD » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:12 am

Only problem is Montgomery probably can’t maintain a full starter’s workload.
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:14 am

I think we are gonna 6 man it soonish and hopefully Chatwood hits the DL
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Re: Sources: Cubs have a deal in place for Cole Hamels

Postby Brian » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:15 am

ScrubMD wrote:Only problem is Montgomery probably can’t maintain a full starter’s workload.


Hopefully things are clearer (and for the better) after Yu's bullpen tomorrow
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