The 2018-2019 Cubs Offseason Rumors & Discussion Thread - "On wrongs swift vengeance waits..."

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Postby Post Count Padder » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:52 am

I've long been a David Robertson fan. Thoughts? Too expensive?
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Postby davell » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:59 am

Post Count Padder wrote:I've long been a David Robertson fan. Thoughts? Too expensive?


Evidently so. Sharma says we want Chavez and Delarosa back and are interested in Doolittle, Will Smith, and Tony Watson in trade.

Also said any money we were spending was going to offense this year.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:56 am

Post Count Padder wrote:I've long been a David Robertson fan. Thoughts? Too expensive?

I like him a lot if we have money to spend
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:37 am

IF the Indians are selling SPs please make Trevor Bauer a Cub
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Postby Bear Cub » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:10 am

Another trump tax cut will give the Ricketts mucho dollars.
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Postby DonnieD » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:16 pm

Bear Cub wrote:Another trump tax cut will give the Ricketts mucho dollars.


Is that the “middle class tax cut” I keep hearing about that should be finalized by Monday?
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:58 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:IF the Indians are selling SPs please make Trevor Bauer a Cub

He's a tumbling, tumbling [expletive]. Hard pass.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:50 pm

Cubs Prospect guy broke the guy(s) involved in the Murphy trade and maybe even the trade itself, he seems to be at least a little connected and says he hears 246 is OK to go to. If that’s the case I’d assume 260-65 is in play since if we’re fine going over, you go over 246 a decent amount and not like $2 mil over.

Using TT’s numbers (currently at 221.7) if we trade off Kintzler and Duensing for PTBNL and non-tender Russell we get down to 208.9. That leaves ~$55 million to add Bryce, backup C/SS and a bullpen arm(s). That’s plenty of money to work with to do all that without having to do other money clearing trades and if we did other trades it would be because we wanted to and not have too.

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Postby Bull » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:36 pm

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Your home runs uber alles campaign is going to some strange places. Wherever will an offense with Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, and Contreras find power?


They were 11th in the NL in home runs last year with all those boys on the roster.


But remove the Chili powder (the opposite of pixie dust) and the whole thing is much more dongerific, right?
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:40 am

Would a 2-3 year deal for Garrett Richards make sense for the Cubs?
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Postby Backtobanks » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:47 pm

Saw a blog from a NY writer on what the Yankees ought to do this offseason. He suggested a trade of Stanton for Darvish and I wondered if that could be expanded to Stanton + Gray + $$$$ for Darvish + Chatwood. Obviously the amount of money involved (and in what years) would be the sticking point. Figuring Gray gets $10 million in arbitration, we would be spending an extra 3.5 million in 2019. The problem with future finances arises on what happens to Gray in 2020 (extension?) and Chatwood after 2020. It's not Harper, but it would satisfy the power-crazed among us.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:21 am

Backtobanks wrote:Saw a blog from a NY writer on what the Yankees ought to do this offseason. He suggested a trade of Stanton for Darvish and I wondered if that could be expanded to Stanton + Gray + $$$$ for Darvish + Chatwood. Obviously the amount of money involved (and in what years) would be the sticking point. Figuring Gray gets $10 million in arbitration, we would be spending an extra 3.5 million in 2019. The problem with future finances arises on what happens to Gray in 2020 (extension?) and Chatwood after 2020. It's not Harper, but it would satisfy the power-crazed among us.


I can’t imagine the Yankees are actually interested in trading Stanton, despite what vocal segments of the NY sports media and their fanbase say.
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Postby Tim » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:20 am

Assuming we've got a "no" on Harper, how about this...

1) Happ for Jon Gray
2) Chatwood for Cozart
3) Russell for Hector Neris+ (or better if you can get it)
4) Sell off Kintzler & Duensing
5) Sign Donaldson
6) Sign Rene Rivera (or some version of Rene Rivera)
7) Sign De La Rosa to cheap 1 yr deal
8) Sign Chavez to cheap 1 yr deal (he was at 1/1 last year)

That gives us a lineup of:

2B) Zobrist
RF) Bryant
1B) Rizzo
3B) Donaldson
LF) Schwarber
SS) Baez
C) Contreras
CF) Heyward

With a bench of: Rivera, Cozart, Almora & La Stella

Starters are:

Lester
Darvish
Hendricks
Quintana
Hamels
Gray

If nobody is hurt, then either play DL games; turn Gray into the multi-inning reliever; or piggyback Gray and Quintana

Pen is:

Morrow
Strop
Cishek
Neris (hope his 2018 second half is his new normal - 41.6 K%, 5.9 BB%, 2.71 FIP, 2.13 xFIP)
Chavez
Edwards
Monty
De La Rosa
+ shuttle guys
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:02 am

Tim wrote:Assuming we've got a "no" on Harper, how about this...

1) Happ for Jon Gray
2) Chatwood for Cozart
3) Russell for Hector Neris+ (or better if you can get it)
4) Sell off Kintzler & Duensing
5) Sign Donaldson
6) Sign Rene Rivera (or some version of Rene Rivera)
7) Sign De La Rosa to cheap 1 yr deal
8) Sign Chavez to cheap 1 yr deal (he was at 1/1 last year)

That gives us a lineup of:

2B) Zobrist
RF) Bryant
1B) Rizzo
3B) Donaldson
LF) Schwarber
SS) Baez
C) Contreras
CF) Heyward

With a bench of: Rivera, Cozart, Almora & La Stella

Starters are:

Lester
Darvish
Hendricks
Quintana
Hamels
Gray

If nobody is hurt, then either play DL games; turn Gray into the multi-inning reliever; or piggyback Gray and Quintana

Pen is:

Morrow
Strop
Cishek
Neris (hope his 2018 second half is his new normal - 41.6 K%, 5.9 BB%, 2.71 FIP, 2.13 xFIP)
Chavez
Edwards
Monty
De La Rosa
+ shuttle guys

In this scenario do we not resign Seal Boy but he just kinda hangs out around the ballpark and makes the team that way?
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Postby Tim » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:12 am

He's under control through 2020, so they just tender him a contract. Am I missing something? I didn't bother saying that they have to tender Bryant, either.
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Postby Tim » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:14 am

btw - my interest in Donaldson is if some of the contract estimates I've seen out there around 3/60 are accurate.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:27 am

Tim wrote:He's under control through 2020, so they just tender him a contract. Am I missing something? I didn't bother saying that they have to tender Bryant, either.

My bad. I thought the 1 year contract was a free agent contract. Lame. (I think there is a chance they non-tender him, tho...unlike Bryant)
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:35 am

On the Gray multi inning thing - are they still viewing him as a SP for 2020+? They should! I am not against the idea of regrouping in the pen, that’s a quality way to break in a potential long term SP
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Postby Named After Maddux » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:44 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:On the Gray multi inning thing - are they still viewing him as a SP for 2020+? They should! I am not against the idea of regrouping in the pen, that’s a quality way to break in a potential long term SP


I think there’s a lot of value in bringing in Jon Gray if you can this offseason. Every team is going to need extra SP and his team control/stuff is a good combination. It was posted earlier, but if Eric L from Fangraphs is right that Happ is too much for Jon Gray, maybe David Bote actually makes sense for both teams. COL is likely losing LeMahieu and launch angle will certainly play in Denver. It’s not too cost prohibitive for the Cubs’ side provided that they do bring in someone who can play 2b/SS
Completely separate, but I’ve been hoping Happ to PIT for Vazquez will be an option.
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Postby KingCubsFan » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:03 pm

Named After Maddux wrote:Completely separate, but I’ve been hoping Happ to PIT for Vazquez will be an option.

I'd be a big fan of that.
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Postby Southpaw19 » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:25 pm

It's just been reported that Seattle is prime for a sell-off this offseason, but they have to be wowed with their returns. I'm not sure we have the pieces, but I think they should be interested in Edwin Diaz.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:29 pm

No no no no to Donaldson. I bet he doesn’t even play 300 games the next three seasons.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:31 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:No no no no to Donaldson. I bet he doesn’t even play 300 games the next three seasons.


Disagree. With as much time off as he's gonna have, he's gonna set the record for Diamond Dynasty.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:07 pm

Southpaw19 wrote:It's just been reported that Seattle is prime for a sell-off this offseason, but they have to be wowed with their returns. I'm not sure we have the pieces, but I think they should be interested in Edwin Diaz.

Oh hell yes on Diaz if they are rebuilding. They have quite a few guys I’d be interested in if they’re selling off. Diaz, Paxton, Segura, Pazos, Zunino and Colome would all interest me to varying degrees.
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Postby Bertz » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:42 pm

Seattle's a very good Tyler Chatwood destination. They have the money that they'd probably be cool eating his contract for prospects. Or if we preferred more of a bad contract swap, Dee Gordon's making basically exactly the same salary and is a really interesting option if the scouts liked how he looked at SS last year.
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