The 2018-2019 Cubs Offseason Rumors & Discussion Thread AKA The Rickettssss take a dump on EVERYTHING
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/ ... dates.html
There's a lot of interesting names here, but one really jumped out to me. Yasmany Tomas is owed $32.5 million the next two years by the Dbacks, however his luxury tax hit is only $23m ($11.5 per year). I think he's an interesting candidate in a Tyler Chatwood trade. He would save the Cubs LT space, while saving the Dbacks real dollars, so in broad strokes it's a win-win. Thomas is not going to take any MLB at bats, he's just chilling at AAA, so you don't have to worry about how he fits onto the roster. Plus, as toxic an asset as Chatwood is, he's way more valuable than Tomas, so the Dbacks would need to provide additional value to balance out any deal. Maybe that's taking Kintzler and/or Duensing off our hands too, or sending us some relief help (Andrew Chafin?), but regardless it should be something of tangible value, in addition to the LT savings.
This probably only makes sense if PTR's alleged issues this winter are LT based, rather than straight up cashflow, which is not something we can say with any real confidence.
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Bertz wrote:MLBTR this week put together a really good list of contract swap candidates:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/ ... dates.html
There's a lot of interesting names here, but one really jumped out to me. Yasmany Tomas is owed $32.5 million the next two years by the Dbacks, however his luxury tax hit is only $23m ($11.5 per year). I think he's an interesting candidate in a Tyler Chatwood trade. He would save the Cubs LT space, while saving the Dbacks real dollars, so in broad strokes it's a win-win. Thomas is not going to take any MLB at bats, he's just chilling at AAA, so you don't have to worry about how he fits onto the roster. Plus, as toxic an asset as Chatwood is, he's way more valuable than Tomas, so the Dbacks would need to provide additional value to balance out any deal. Maybe that's taking Kintzler and/or Duensing off our hands too, or sending us some relief help (Andrew Chafin?), but regardless it should be something of tangible value, in addition to the LT savings.
This probably only makes sense if PTR's alleged issues this winter are LT based, rather than straight up cashflow, which is not something we can say with any real confidence.
I think we can do better than swapping Chatwood for a $23 million ml player. As much as we want to dump Chatwood and his contract, he has some (but not much) value as a ML starting pitcher.
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Re: The 2018-2019 Cubs Offseason Rumors & Discussion Thread - "On wrongs swift vengeance waits..."
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Bertz wrote:MLBTR this week put together a really good list of contract swap candidates:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/ ... dates.html
There's a lot of interesting names here, but one really jumped out to me. Yasmany Tomas is owed $32.5 million the next two years by the Dbacks, however his luxury tax hit is only $23m ($11.5 per year). I think he's an interesting candidate in a Tyler Chatwood trade. He would save the Cubs LT space, while saving the Dbacks real dollars, so in broad strokes it's a win-win. Thomas is not going to take any MLB at bats, he's just chilling at AAA, so you don't have to worry about how he fits onto the roster. Plus, as toxic an asset as Chatwood is, he's way more valuable than Tomas, so the Dbacks would need to provide additional value to balance out any deal. Maybe that's taking Kintzler and/or Duensing off our hands too, or sending us some relief help (Andrew Chafin?), but regardless it should be something of tangible value, in addition to the LT savings.
This probably only makes sense if PTR's alleged issues this winter are LT based, rather than straight up cashflow, which is not something we can say with any real confidence.
Tomas is not on the 40 man roster. I believe his luxury tax number is $0 as long as he stays off the 40-man. He’s still owed his contracted salary, but I don’t think it counts towards the tax. The Red Sox have a similar situation with Rusney Castillo.
He’d be a good candidate to get in a trade offload some dead money off the tax number.
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CP_414 wrote:Bertz wrote:MLBTR this week put together a really good list of contract swap candidates:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/ ... dates.html
There's a lot of interesting names here, but one really jumped out to me. Yasmany Tomas is owed $32.5 million the next two years by the Dbacks, however his luxury tax hit is only $23m ($11.5 per year). I think he's an interesting candidate in a Tyler Chatwood trade. He would save the Cubs LT space, while saving the Dbacks real dollars, so in broad strokes it's a win-win. Thomas is not going to take any MLB at bats, he's just chilling at AAA, so you don't have to worry about how he fits onto the roster. Plus, as toxic an asset as Chatwood is, he's way more valuable than Tomas, so the Dbacks would need to provide additional value to balance out any deal. Maybe that's taking Kintzler and/or Duensing off our hands too, or sending us some relief help (Andrew Chafin?), but regardless it should be something of tangible value, in addition to the LT savings.
This probably only makes sense if PTR's alleged issues this winter are LT based, rather than straight up cashflow, which is not something we can say with any real confidence.
Tomas is not on the 40 man roster. I believe his luxury tax number is $0 as long as he stays off the 40-man. He’s still owed his contracted salary, but I don’t think it counts towards the tax. The Red Sox have a similar situation with Rusney Castillo.
He’d be a good candidate to get in a trade offload some dead money off the tax number.
What's the catch with this? I think it may be true as well, because anytime I look at the Dodgers tax situation, I don't see Yasiel Sierra or that Arrabarruena guy counting against theirs..........
So, what stops us from just outrighting Chatwood and saving his money? There's gotta be something, right? I'm assuming he's got to accept it, when its possible some team could conceivably offer him a major league minimum deal? But, if that's the case, I figure someone would have done the same with Tomas as well.....
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davell wrote:CP_414 wrote:Bertz wrote:MLBTR this week put together a really good list of contract swap candidates:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/ ... dates.html
There's a lot of interesting names here, but one really jumped out to me. Yasmany Tomas is owed $32.5 million the next two years by the Dbacks, however his luxury tax hit is only $23m ($11.5 per year). I think he's an interesting candidate in a Tyler Chatwood trade. He would save the Cubs LT space, while saving the Dbacks real dollars, so in broad strokes it's a win-win. Thomas is not going to take any MLB at bats, he's just chilling at AAA, so you don't have to worry about how he fits onto the roster. Plus, as toxic an asset as Chatwood is, he's way more valuable than Tomas, so the Dbacks would need to provide additional value to balance out any deal. Maybe that's taking Kintzler and/or Duensing off our hands too, or sending us some relief help (Andrew Chafin?), but regardless it should be something of tangible value, in addition to the LT savings.
This probably only makes sense if PTR's alleged issues this winter are LT based, rather than straight up cashflow, which is not something we can say with any real confidence.
Tomas is not on the 40 man roster. I believe his luxury tax number is $0 as long as he stays off the 40-man. He’s still owed his contracted salary, but I don’t think it counts towards the tax. The Red Sox have a similar situation with Rusney Castillo.
He’d be a good candidate to get in a trade offload some dead money off the tax number.
What's the catch with this? I think it may be true as well, because anytime I look at the Dodgers tax situation, I don't see Yasiel Sierra or that Arrabarruena guy counting against theirs..........
So, what stops us from just outrighting Chatwood and saving his money? There's gotta be something, right? I'm assuming he's got to accept it, when its possible some team could conceivably offer him a major league minimum deal? But, if that's the case, I figure someone would have done the same with Tomas as well.....
Service time. Players with at least five years of service time can elect free agency after being outrighted and keep their entire contract.
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Gilby wrote:I take back what I said earlier then. That'd be an outstanding move if possible
It’s a benefit that’s wasted on Arizona. They aren’t going near the tax anyway. You’d think if they can’t offload his contract in another trade they would be willing to swap him for a bad salary player that can play for them in the majors.
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CP_414 wrote:Gilby wrote:I take back what I said earlier then. That'd be an outstanding move if possible
It’s a benefit that’s wasted on Arizona. They aren’t going nearcthe tax anyway. You’d think if they can’t offload his contract in another trade they would be willing to swap him for a bad salary player that can play for them in the majors.
Yeah good info/find on this. I’d love for us to figure out a way to dump some combo of the Chatwood, Kintzler, Duensing guys there. I’d throw a decent prospect or two in or even Happ (preferably Almora) if it was the move we had to make to fit Bryce in