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Postby JennieGarthAlgar » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:41 pm

The Rockies did, didnt they?
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Postby biittner77 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:14 pm

If someone could prove collusion by the owners, would that fall under the Sherman Anti Trust Act?

Violation of the Sherman Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $10 million for corporations, and a fine of up to $350,000 or 3 years imprisonment (or both) for individuals, if the offense was committed before June 22, 2004. If the offense was committed on or after June 22, 2004, the maximum Sherman Act fine is $100 million for corporations and $1 million for individuals, and the maximum Sherman Act jail sentence is 10 years.
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Postby Derwood » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:19 pm

biittner77 wrote:If someone could prove collusion by the owners, would that fall under the Sherman Anti Trust Act?

Violation of the Sherman Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $10 million for corporations, and a fine of up to $350,000 or 3 years imprisonment (or both) for individuals, if the offense was committed before June 22, 2004. If the offense was committed on or after June 22, 2004, the maximum Sherman Act fine is $100 million for corporations and $1 million for individuals, and the maximum Sherman Act jail sentence is 10 years.


No idea how you would prove it without someone just fessing to it. Even if owners were stupid enough to leave a paper trail of emails or texts, I don't know what grounds you could subpoena those communications.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:21 pm

biittner77 wrote:If someone could prove collusion by the owners, would that fall under the Sherman Anti Trust Act?

Violation of the Sherman Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $10 million for corporations, and a fine of up to $350,000 or 3 years imprisonment (or both) for individuals, if the offense was committed before June 22, 2004. If the offense was committed on or after June 22, 2004, the maximum Sherman Act fine is $100 million for corporations and $1 million for individuals, and the maximum Sherman Act jail sentence is 10 years.


Pretty sure MLB is still exempt from that. But they’d get some big fines as per CBA
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Postby champaignchris » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:14 pm

Right. Baseball is excluded from the anti-trust laws. The logic is that if you want actual competitive baseball games, you have to have some restraints on competition at the business level. So you can’t hire other teams’ players away from them in the middle of the season, for example.
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Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
biittner77 wrote:If someone could prove collusion by the owners, would that fall under the Sherman Anti Trust Act?

Violation of the Sherman Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $10 million for corporations, and a fine of up to $350,000 or 3 years imprisonment (or both) for individuals, if the offense was committed before June 22, 2004. If the offense was committed on or after June 22, 2004, the maximum Sherman Act fine is $100 million for corporations and $1 million for individuals, and the maximum Sherman Act jail sentence is 10 years.


Pretty sure MLB is still exempt from that. But they’d get some big fines as per CBA


I am pretty sure the collusion language is in the CBA because of Drysdale and Koufax both holding out the same year. So the owners wanted it included and the players said yes as long as it went both ways
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Postby SeldomSeen » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:19 pm

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Bleacher Report, but...
Cubs Biggest Loser?
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Postby Tim » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:25 pm

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Bleacher Report, but...
Cubs Biggest Loser?

Awesome...now lets see the projected WAR from returning players.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:39 pm

When you can’t even keep pace with the Pirates
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Tim wrote:
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Bleacher Report, but...
Cubs Biggest Loser?

Awesome...now lets see the projected WAR from returning players.


I assume Cole Hamels gives you $20m worth
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Postby big ball chunky time » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm

I've fallen into my yearly early season trap of discounting the brewers, but the cardinals kinda freak me out. Their offense is stacked and I think fangraphs is unnecessarily low on their pitching.

Until we sign Harper or machado and/or see a healthy bryant in spring training, the cardinals may be the nl central faves
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Postby squally1313 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Tim wrote:
SeldomSeen wrote:
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Bleacher Report, but...
Cubs Biggest Loser?

Awesome...now lets see the projected WAR from returning players.


I assume Cole Hamels gives you $20m worth


By the calculation that uses total money spent on free agents as the denominator, and usually gets to about $8-$9m per win, he does. But my new way of looking at it, where $20m to Cole Hamels is infinitely better than $20m to Tom Ricketts or some Republican PAC, he definitely does.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:01 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I've fallen into my yearly early season trap of discounting the brewers, but the cardinals kinda freak me out. Their offense is stacked and I think fangraphs is unnecessarily low on their pitching.

We have the same amount of players as them projected for 3+ WAR (KB, Rizzo, Javy And Schwarbs vs Goldschmidt, Dejong, Carpenter and Ozuna) more than them over 4 (Rizzo And KB vs Goldschmidt) and the only one at 5+ in KB. We also project for more offensive WAR 28.1 vs 25.8 and their entire rotation is full of question marks. Martinez, Wacha and Reyes off injuries (all 3 have been hurt every year the last few years as well), Wainwright’s corpse, Flaherty (who I think is good) and Mikolas who are a bit unproven. Idk, they have more question marks than us in the rotation. Probably more upside but more downside and volatility. Imo.

Carpenter at 3B could be a disaster as well, he can’t really throw and Ozuna is coming off a shoulder surgery and allegedly is behind for swinging and throwing already.
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Postby big ball chunky time » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:06 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I've fallen into my yearly early season trap of discounting the brewers, but the cardinals kinda freak me out. Their offense is stacked and I think fangraphs is unnecessarily low on their pitching.

We have the same amount of players as them projected for 3+ WAR (KB, Rizzo, Javy And Schwarbs vs Goldschmidt, Dejong, Carpenter and Ozuna) more than them over 4 (Rizzo And KB vs Goldschmidt) and the only one at 5+ in KB. We also project for more offensive WAR 28.1 vs 25.8 and their entire rotation is full of question marks. Martinez, Wacha and Reyes off injuries (all 3 have been hurt every year the last few years as well), Wainwright’s corpse, Flaherty (who I think is good) and Mikolas who are a bit unproven. Idk, they have more question marks than us in the rotation. Probably more upside but more downside and volatility. Imo.

Carpenter at 3B could be a disaster as well, he can’t really throw and Ozuna is coming off a shoulder surgery and allegedly is behind for swinging and throwing already.


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TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:I've fallen into my yearly early season trap of discounting the brewers, but the cardinals kinda freak me out. Their offense is stacked and I think fangraphs is unnecessarily low on their pitching.

We have the same amount of players as them projected for 3+ WAR (KB, Rizzo, Javy And Schwarbs vs Goldschmidt, Dejong, Carpenter and Ozuna) more than them over 4 (Rizzo And KB vs Goldschmidt) and the only one at 5+ in KB. We also project for more offensive WAR 28.1 vs 25.8 and their entire rotation is full of question marks. Martinez, Wacha and Reyes off injuries (all 3 have been hurt every year the last few years as well), Wainwright’s corpse, Flaherty (who I think is good) and Mikolas who are a bit unproven. Idk, they have more question marks than us in the rotation. Probably more upside but more downside and volatility. Imo.

Carpenter at 3B could be a disaster as well, he can’t really throw and Ozuna is coming off a shoulder surgery and allegedly is behind for swinging and throwing already.


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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:15 pm

SeldomSeen wrote:
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Bleacher Report, but...
Cubs Biggest Loser?

Biggest losers on the margin for error amongst division favorites, sure. Still the best team in the division though. Sooo....

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Cubswin11 wrote:
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Bleacher Report, but...
Cubs Biggest Loser?

Biggest losers on the margin for error amongst division favorites, sure. Still the best team in the division though. Sooo....

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How can they "still" be the best team in the division when they weren't the best team in the division last time it was competed?
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:58 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:How can they "still" be the best team in the division when they weren't the best team in the division last time it was competed?


Last year was just another part of Theo’s Plan. He basically forced the rest of the division to run out of luck forever, the sole reason the Cubs even came in second, while silmoutaneously getting down years out of the way for His guys. Now our studs will be cheaper in the future after they all make it. 2018, whether you want to acknowledge it or not Kyle, was yet another long term master stroke by Epstein. Guy’s playing like 7D chess.
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Theo’s on a heater today, boys!

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Postby Tim » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:45 pm

We signed Luke Hagerty (again).

Absolutely amazing story: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2589 ... back-story
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Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:45 pm

He's posted decent numbers. Not a bad low-cost signing. Since that's all we're allowed to have.

Does this mean we can just DFA Kintzler? He's worse than Barnette and Brach and half the guys on the Iowa shuttle.
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Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:32 pm

Barnette's contract is for just $750,000 this season. $3 mil club option next season.
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Tim wrote:We signed Luke Hagerty (again).

Absolutely amazing story: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2589 ... back-story

This is incredible
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Tim wrote:We signed Luke Hagerty (again).

Absolutely amazing story: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2589 ... back-story

This is incredible

Damn. That's some good stuff.
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