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Postby Deeg » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:46 pm

FWIW Marlin Bystro, the supposed ITK over at PSD, finally posted and said that he's heard everything we're reading is true - Theo has zero to spend and would need to dump salary even to sign a middle reliever. Usual grain of salt.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:06 am

"Then why did you give Cole Hamels 20 million dollars", he screamed into a pillow in between shots of bleach
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:08 am

Theo Epstein working his team into a tough spot with bad FA pitching decisions? The hell you say
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:31 am

Deeg wrote:FWIW Marlin Bystro, the supposed ITK over at PSD, finally posted and said that he's heard everything we're reading is true - Theo has zero to spend and would need to dump salary even to sign a middle reliever. Usual grain of salt.


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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:34 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Theo Epstein working his team into a tough spot with bad FA pitching decisions? The hell you say

Should’ve drafted Jon Gray over KB. Could’ve avoided one of these deals!
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:51 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Deeg wrote:FWIW Marlin Bystro, the supposed ITK over at PSD, finally posted and said that he's heard everything we're reading is true - Theo has zero to spend and would need to dump salary even to sign a middle reliever. Usual grain of salt.


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everyone: oh no now we can't sign bryce harper

tom: this is terrible! I was really hoping we might sign Karl Dandleton who has elite spin rates already as a 19 yo reliever in the Guatemalan league. I'd even have accepted a Todd Bonzalez.
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Re: The 2018-2019 Cubs Offseason Rumors & Discussion Thread AKA The Rickettssss take a dump on EVERYTHING

Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:56 am

Wait, what?

Oooooh, the tweets from earlier...I get it...I did really lay it on heavy for that guy, copying two tweets and suggesting a MiL deal
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:00 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Wait, what?

Oooooh, the tweets from earlier...I get it...I did really lay it on heavy for that guy, copying two tweets and suggesting a MiL deal

I just automatically like anything that includes "Todd Bonzalez" in it.
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:50 am

bobson dugnutt earned a mention in season 4 of angie tribeca
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Postby Bertz » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:04 am

Deeg wrote:FWIW Marlin Bystro, the supposed ITK over at PSD, finally posted and said that he's heard everything we're reading is true - Theo has zero to spend and would need to dump salary even to sign a middle reliever. Usual grain of salt.


Marlin was legit connected. He called Javy Baez in like April of that year and Hayden Simpson ~a week before that disaster. That being said, he was clearly on the scouting/PD side of things and was not nearly as well connected after Theo took over (which makes sense, the Cubs under Hendry had only like a few dozen non uniformed employees). So if you want to comfort yourself you could say he doesn't know much more than the beat writers at this point when it comes to the major league operations.

That being said, Epstein has played the last six months like a horsefeathering idiot if this is all true. The Kintzler trade goes from "fine whatever they don't all work out" to absolutely inexcusable. Tendering Russell somehow manages to get even worse. And I like Hamels and think he was worth $20m in a vacuum, but not in this scenario. Those three guys could have paid for Bryce in 2019 (not in AAV but $29m would be plenty in real dollars). Or, if you want to spread the money around that's Jesse Chavez, Jody Mercer, Kurt Suzuki, and Matt Harvey with money to spare. Instead we're likely looking at them trading Zobrist just so they can add some modest players at C and the OF (and hopefully SS).

The glass half full (maybe "head in the sand") interpretation of this is still the same as it's been all winter. The team came into the winter with basically just enough money to add Bryce, $30ish million. Because of the respective performances of Hamels and Chatwood, retaining Cole and dumping salary elsewhere was viewed as a necessity. Because they are approaching teams trying to dump salary, and currently unwilling to engage agents on even modest FAs while they wait for Bryce everyone understandably infers that they're broke. And the team is not correcting them, because why would they? The longer the winter goes the less I believe this, but it's not wholly unreasonable.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:16 am

Lol man I am full putz very often but now I get the reference!

Bertz wrote:The longer the winter goes the less I believe this, but it's not wholly unreasonable.


I actually think it’s the other way around. The longer Harper, Machado, and Kimbrel sit on the market because all these pansies are more bark than bite, the more likely we get a triple Fowler moment times infinity. If all the actions are going one way while speculative words go the other, I take the actions
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:21 pm

Bertz wrote:The glass half full (maybe "head in the sand") interpretation of this is still the same as it's been all winter. The team came into the winter with basically just enough money to add Bryce, $30ish million. Because of the respective performances of Hamels and Chatwood, retaining Cole and dumping salary elsewhere was viewed as a necessity.


I know you're not advocating for this route personally, but that is such a terrible course of action. Like shockingly inexcusably bad decision making from the front office. That's why this is so confusing. The more the offseason goes on and more relievers go off the board, the more it seems clear they're hamstrung financially. And if that's true, that means that the front office made easily the dumbest choice of their tenure in picking up Hamels, a choice so terrible that I can't help but try to think of other circumstances where it might otherwise make sense, given the front office's track record at not making inexplicably bad decisions.
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Postby Flames24Rulz » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:42 pm

yeah but what's Charles the Cat saying?
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Postby Brian » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:45 pm

I wonder how many people that paid $125 for the privilege to be there will be asking about the cubs lack of money next weekend.
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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:51 pm

Brian wrote:I wonder how many people that paid $125 for the privilege to be there will be asking about the cubs lack of money next weekend.


I'm sure their long passionate statements of disappointment during the owner q&a sessions will persuade Tom to open up the pocket books.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:54 pm

Brian wrote:I wonder how many people that paid $125 for the privilege to be there will be asking about the cubs lack of money next weekend.

I'm sure the creatures that go to that thing will focus on the hard hitting questions like "Will Almora be the everyday CF'er and leadoff hitter?" "Why did you trade LaStella?" etc.
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:56 pm

Brian wrote:I wonder how many people that paid $125 for the privilege to be there will be asking about the cubs lack of money next weekend.


I dunno, there might be plenty of fans expressing congratulations to the Ricketts for their swelling bank accounts, based on the ready defense of billionaires I've seen across Cubs interwebs.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:20 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:
Brian wrote:I wonder how many people that paid $125 for the privilege to be there will be asking about the cubs lack of money next weekend.


I dunno, there might be plenty of fans expressing congratulations to the Ricketts for their swelling bank accounts, based on the ready defense of billionaires I've seen across Cubs interwebs.



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Postby Brian » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:29 pm

There will be too much excitement over the announcement of Ian Happ's true crime podcast for negativity

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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:39 pm

So that podcast is just him telling the story of how he did it once the statute of limitations expires?
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Postby Brian » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:42 pm

he's going the OJ "If I did it" route
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Postby CubinNY » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:51 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:
Brian wrote:I wonder how many people that paid $125 for the privilege to be there will be asking about the cubs lack of money next weekend.


I dunno, there might be plenty of fans expressing congratulations to the Ricketts for their swelling bank accounts, based on the ready defense of billionaires I've seen across Cubs interwebs.

I don’t get why people take sides with the owners.
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Postby r_mack » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:14 pm

CubinNY wrote:
CyHawk_Cub wrote:
Brian wrote:I wonder how many people that paid $125 for the privilege to be there will be asking about the cubs lack of money next weekend.


I dunno, there might be plenty of fans expressing congratulations to the Ricketts for their swelling bank accounts, based on the ready defense of billionaires I've seen across Cubs interwebs.

I don’t get why people take sides with the owners.

I don't get why people attack owners like the Ricketts who are going to spend $220 million on their baseball team this year, the most in the National League. They don't have unlimited money to spend on this team, it's a business.
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Postby Tim » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:17 pm

r_mack wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
CyHawk_Cub wrote:
I dunno, there might be plenty of fans expressing congratulations to the Ricketts for their swelling bank accounts, based on the ready defense of billionaires I've seen across Cubs interwebs.

I don’t get why people take sides with the owners.

I don't get why people attack owners like the Ricketts who are going to spend $220 million on their baseball team this year, the most in the National League. They don't have unlimited money to spend on this team, it's a business.

They aren't spending that out of their pockets. That money is a relatively small percentage of revenues. Yes, they are spending a lot. But they are taking in much more.
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