The 2018-2019 Cubs Offseason Rumors & Discussion Thread AKA The Rickettssss take a dump on EVERYTHING

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Postby squally1313 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:41 pm

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squally1313 wrote:The Ricketts bought the Cubs, Wrigley, and 25% of Comcast for $900m in 2009. For simplicity, let's say they just bought the Cubs for $900m. In 2018, Forbes estimated the Cubs were worth $2.8b. With a B. So, no, I don't give a horsefeathers how much money they are or aren't making on a year to year basis.

I certainly agree that they obviously have the money/net worth to go do whatever they want (even if they had to tap in to personal money vs just Cubs "business" money). But this is all a paper gain, they don't have $2B in cash all the sudden. We know MLB has lending limits/ratios teams can't exceed so there are restrictions for them to just go lend against their paper gain (which is a whole other discussion and we can argue if that's stupid or good). It's possible they've maxed out what they can borrow going by MLB rules and spent that money on things like the renovations, neighborhood projects, ST facility, Dominican facility, etc. so maybe they are tight from a cash flow perspective because maybe those projects cost more money, aren't coming on line as fast as they thought or not returning what they projected (or maybe they are just being plain greedy and pocketing money). Which is pretty dumb and poor planning knowing this offseason was coming and they certainly can dump personal money in, you'd assume, if they really wanted to make something happen. I'm not defending them by any means, just trying to figure out what the hell could be going on.


But it can't be this dire. Their ownership has gone about as well as they could have possibly expected, save another title or two. And it's gone on during a period of constant economic growth across the board. There's no way that this kind of success can have them backed into a corner like this, because that means pretty much any other alternative would have made them declare bankruptcy or something along those lines.
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Postby Forgotmyoldlogin » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:00 pm

It's just bizarre to me that the Convention is NEXT WEEK and the Cubs haven't done anything.
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Postby squally1313 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:10 pm

Forgotmyoldlogin wrote:It's just bizarre to me that the Convention is NEXT WEEK and the Cubs haven't done anything.


They retweeted Randy horsefeathering Rosario tweeting about being excited for the convention. That's where they're at right now. Obviously, everyone in the front office knows it will sell out regardless, and it's not like there's no one left to get. But yeah, this is boring and concerning. Do something please.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:12 pm

squally1313 wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
squally1313 wrote:The Ricketts bought the Cubs, Wrigley, and 25% of Comcast for $900m in 2009. For simplicity, let's say they just bought the Cubs for $900m. In 2018, Forbes estimated the Cubs were worth $2.8b. With a B. So, no, I don't give a horsefeathers how much money they are or aren't making on a year to year basis.

I certainly agree that they obviously have the money/net worth to go do whatever they want (even if they had to tap in to personal money vs just Cubs "business" money). But this is all a paper gain, they don't have $2B in cash all the sudden. We know MLB has lending limits/ratios teams can't exceed so there are restrictions for them to just go lend against their paper gain (which is a whole other discussion and we can argue if that's stupid or good). It's possible they've maxed out what they can borrow going by MLB rules and spent that money on things like the renovations, neighborhood projects, ST facility, Dominican facility, etc. so maybe they are tight from a cash flow perspective because maybe those projects cost more money, aren't coming on line as fast as they thought or not returning what they projected (or maybe they are just being plain greedy and pocketing money). Which is pretty dumb and poor planning knowing this offseason was coming and they certainly can dump personal money in, you'd assume, if they really wanted to make something happen. I'm not defending them by any means, just trying to figure out what the hell could be going on.


But it can't be this dire. Their ownership has gone about as well as they could have possibly expected, save another title or two. And it's gone on during a period of constant economic growth across the board. There's no way that this kind of success can have them backed into a corner like this, because that means pretty much any other alternative would have made them declare bankruptcy or something along those lines.

Definitely and the answer is probably somewhere in the middle, they obviously aren’t poor or in a dire spot but maybe (in the vacuum of just the cubs as a business and not their personal worth/money) they don’t have all this money that we think either because something(s) didn’t go as planned on the business side. I’d just like to know the real reason(s) instead of guessing and maybe (likely) it’s as simple as their greed.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:13 pm

I keep thinking it's gotta be the TV projections somehow not being what they were wanting.
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Postby Bull » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:19 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:I keep thinking it's gotta be the TV projections somehow not being what they were wanting.

Or Bryce is happening and they're waiting for the convention to announce it... please?
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:23 pm

We know the lending limit ratios are [expletive]
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:27 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:We know the lending limit ratios are [expletive]

Right, but we know they are part of the stupid rules they have to play by
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Postby 17 Seconds » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:26 am

if the nats get harper, does that mean they're moving eaton?
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:30 am

17 Seconds wrote:if the nats get harper, does that mean they're moving eaton?

He doesn’t make much money, so they shouldn’t have to move him for that reason. Given his injury history and splits I’d assume he’d just move to a platoon OF’er with Taylor/Robles (could even keep Robles in AAA for a while to work on things/use as trade bait down the road).
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:47 am

Officially, official. I know the Cubs prospect guy and some other twitter guy had it a few days ago but first I’m seeing a national guy say it.

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Postby SpongeWorthy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:05 am

how many of you are Mad Online w/r/t the cubs lack of spending because you hate your job/boss?

just me?
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Postby squally1313 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:17 am

SpongeWorthy wrote:how many of you are Mad Online w/r/t the cubs lack of spending because you hate your job/boss?

just me?


Yes?
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:23 am

SpongeWorthy wrote:how many of you are Mad Online w/r/t the cubs lack of spending because you hate your job/boss?

just me?


IT IS DEFINITELY TWO THINGS.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:42 am

Pretty sure you can get out of the lending limits by asking MLB or just doing it without telling them. They are never enforced.
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Postby Deeg » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:45 am

Interesting how Theo used to talk so much about "the window" but you never hear mention of it these days...
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Postby Bear Cub » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:31 am

Hey Sofa, please remove that Parkey picture. It makes me ill! Thank you.
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Postby Banedon » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:05 pm

Bull wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:I keep thinking it's gotta be the TV projections somehow not being what they were wanting.

Or Bryce is happening and they're waiting for the convention to announce it... please?


Harper is meeting with the Phillies in Vegas on Saturday, so this isn't happening.
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:52 pm

Banedon wrote:
Bull wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:I keep thinking it's gotta be the TV projections somehow not being what they were wanting.

Or Bryce is happening and they're waiting for the convention to announce it... please?


Harper is meeting with the Phillies in Vegas on Saturday, so this isn't happening.


Or so the Germans Would have you believe
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Postby Bertz » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:39 pm

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/somebody-go-get-will-smith/

If we're for real "can't even afford a middle reliever" poor, prospects + Duensing for Will Smith is too perfect. The money's nearly a wash, and Duensing would actually look pretty good in AT&T, so the Giants could probably turn around and flip him for another prospect in July. Smith would probably be the best lefty reliever we've had since Sean Marshall. Actually, the more I think about it, we could have $50m to play with and I still want this.
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Postby Brian » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:55 pm

things are heating up

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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:22 pm

Banedon wrote:
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Sammy Sofa wrote:I keep thinking it's gotta be the TV projections somehow not being what they were wanting.

Or Bryce is happening and they're waiting for the convention to announce it... please?


Harper is meeting with the Phillies in Vegas on Saturday, so this isn't happening.

Convention is next weekens, right? He’s meeting this Saturday with the Phillies.
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Postby Banedon » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:27 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
Banedon wrote:
Bull wrote:Or Bryce is happening and they're waiting for the convention to announce it... please?


Harper is meeting with the Phillies in Vegas on Saturday, so this isn't happening.

Convention is next weekens, right? He’s meeting this Saturday with the Phillies.


Oops, thought the convention was this weekend.
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Postby Brian » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:29 pm

Yeah I thought it was this one too, and I was so looking forward to new Ryan Dempster content.
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Postby squally1313 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:36 pm

Brian wrote:Yeah I thought it was this one too, and I was so looking forward to new Ryan Dempster content.


His Harry Caray call of the Bote grand slam walk off will leave you in stitches!!!
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