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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:59 pm

Saw this on MLBTR:

Troy Tulowitzki was impressive enough in his December 16th showcase to draw genuine interest from as many as 16 major league clubs, per Andy Martino of SNY.tv. The Cubs were reportedly willing to hand Tulo their starting shortstop position at least until the end of Addison Russell‘s suspension.


I’ll stay away from the Russell thing. I think this is the first hint the Cubs may not be all in on Baez as a full time starting SS.
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Re: 2018-19 Other Team Offseason Transactions Not Worth a New Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:03 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Saw this on MLBTR:

Troy Tulowitzki was impressive enough in his December 16th showcase to draw genuine interest from as many as 16 major league clubs, per Andy Martino of SNY.tv. The Cubs were reportedly willing to hand Tulo their starting shortstop position at least until the end of Addison Russell‘s suspension.

and it makes no sense
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Re: 2018-19 Other Team Offseason Transactions Not Worth a New Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:05 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:Saw this on MLBTR:

Troy Tulowitzki was impressive enough in his December 16th showcase to draw genuine interest from as many as 16 major league clubs, per Andy Martino of SNY.tv. The Cubs were reportedly willing to hand Tulo their starting shortstop position at least until the end of Addison Russell‘s suspension.

and it makes no sense


Yeah, I’m Machado, maaaaaaaaybe Iglesias (for defense and only if the other 7 guys can mash), or bust on bringing in a SS to start
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Re: 2018-19 Other Team Offseason Transactions Not Worth a New Thread

Postby Bertz » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:31 pm

I think all it says about Baez is they don't care whether he's a SS or a 2b. It would have impacted Zobrist's PT, not Javy's.

This is more about getting a second guy on the roster who can play SS, hopefully with an eye toward putting Russell on an escalator to nowhere but at minimum coverage for the month he's suspended.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:55 pm

I think it says the guy on the Yankees/Mets beat has no idea what the Cubs plan is.
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Postby Backtobanks » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:55 pm

I don't know about handing Tulo the starting SS job, but it certainly had something to do with money.
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Postby Banedon » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:15 pm

Backtobanks wrote:I don't know about handing Tulo the starting SS job, but it certainly had something to do with money.


Huh? Any team he signed with only pays the league minimum for him.
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Postby Hunter » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:18 pm

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Backtobanks wrote:I don't know about handing Tulo the starting SS job, but it certainly had something to do with money.


Huh? Any team he signed with only pays the league minimum for him.


Using Tulo and dumping Russell would have saved us $3.5 million too.
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Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:14 pm

I'd really have liked that but I also don't think Tulo will be 100 percent healthy ever again so
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Postby Backtobanks » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:20 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:I'd really have liked that but I also don't think Tulo will be 100 percent healthy ever again so



Yeah, not likely with his injury history added to his age.
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Postby Tim » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:25 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:I'd really have liked that but I also don't think Tulo will be 100 percent healthy ever again so

I'm guessing that if Toronto thought he was 100% healthy, they would have kept him to start the season and then try to trade him. Even if they ate most of the salary to get a decent return, that's what they're doing now anyway with no payback at all other than goodwill.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:36 am

Tim wrote:I'm guessing that if Toronto thought he was 100% healthy, they would have kept him to start the season and then try to trade him. Even if they ate most of the salary to get a decent return, that's what they're doing now anyway with no payback at all other than goodwill.


I don’t believe this scenario lands them anything worthwhile anyway. He’s 34, missed all of last year, and hasn’t hit since 2014. Maybe the Jays send cash but any team trading for him is probably paying more than the league min and has him under contract through 2020 off of a partial season. Maybe the Jays cost themselves a Jeferson Mejia type “prospect” but most likely they saved all sides lots of nonsense drama by cutting him during the offseason rather than in-season
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Postby Tim » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:15 am

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Tim wrote:I'm guessing that if Toronto thought he was 100% healthy, they would have kept him to start the season and then try to trade him. Even if they ate most of the salary to get a decent return, that's what they're doing now anyway with no payback at all other than goodwill.


I don’t believe this scenario lands them anything worthwhile anyway. He’s 34, missed all of last year, and hasn’t hit since 2014. Maybe the Jays send cash but any team trading for him is probably paying more than the league min and has him under contract through 2020 off of a partial season. Maybe the Jays cost themselves a Jeferson Mejia type “prospect” but most likely they saved all sides lots of nonsense drama by cutting him during the offseason rather than in-season

What I'm saying is that if they thought he was 100% healthy, they'd keep him and play him until the trade deadline. If he's healthy, he proves his value and someone will pay up. If not, they've literally not cost themselves anything but playing time on a team going nowhere.

Toronto doesn't let him go for nothing unless they are pretty confident he's toast.
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Postby Bluescale » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:03 am

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Post Count Padder wrote:I'd really have liked that but I also don't think Tulo will be 100 percent healthy ever again so

I'm guessing that if Toronto thought he was 100% healthy, they would have kept him to start the season and then try to trade him. Even if they ate most of the salary to get a decent return, that's what they're doing now anyway with no payback at all other than goodwill.


Too bad he wasn't worth Jason Heyward and some cash...
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Postby Hunter » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:17 am

Brewers picked up Spangenberg. Pretty solid 1 year deal.

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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:05 pm

Tim wrote:What I'm saying is that if they thought he was 100% healthy, they'd keep him and play him until the trade deadline. If he's healthy, he proves his value and someone will pay up. If not, they've literally not cost themselves anything but playing time on a team going nowhere.

Toronto doesn't let him go for nothing unless they are pretty confident he's toast.


Just looking at his FG page, all of Tulo’s value since 2015 has been tied into his glove. He’s now 34, nearly five seasons removed from making an impact offensively, even at peak he wasn’t the pillar of health and durability (seems like 100% healthy is borderline literal here), and in a trade scenario is under contract through 2020 for $20 million + whatever’s left of his 2019 salary (TDL maybe leaves $7 million left?). What kind of prospect return does that player realistically get off half-most of one season? My guess is they would end up with a guy or two barely hanging onto the prospect label.

Moreso than him not being 100% finished as a player, the Blue Jays probably guessed it was a waste of time and energy even bothering to play then shop him. All that work and optimism to land iunno, someone’s Austin Filliere or something, isn’t really worth it. Instead they now have more options - they can play the 25 YO Gourriel until elite prospect Bichette Jr. is ready (sooner rather than later probably) or maybe pursue a FA who might have more trade value after half a season before calling up Bichette Jr. Either scenario benefits their long term more

The Yankees have had alot of success - Eric Chavez, Freddy Garcia, Bartolo Colon, etc - off of former studs who were supposed to be finished. I have some optimism Tulowitzki can still play a little, just none that teams would trade anything to find out over 1.5 seasons for way money than the Yankees spent.

Edit: I have no clue how I can write so many words on this, good Jah
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Postby Post Count Padder » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:31 pm

Heyman just tweeted the Mets traded for Keon Broxton.
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Pirates’ organizational TWTW and GRIT just went off the charts
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If we were going to add a money reliever he was my top choice.
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Postby Deeg » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:18 am

Brach is still out there - chin up.
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Postby Have a seat, Neifi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:31 am

Deeg wrote:Brach is still out there - chin up.

Speaking of which, our favorite Twitter “source” is at it again —

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Multiple relievers I'm hearing the #Cubs have had recent discussions with. Kelvin Herrera, Brad Brach, and Oliver Perez. #HotStove
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Postby TMan92 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:43 am

Post Count Padder wrote:Heyman just tweeted the Mets traded for Keon Broxton.


Did the Brewers get DeGrom? Oh never mind this isn’t the Marlins.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:29 am

Have a seat, Neifi wrote:
Deeg wrote:Brach is still out there - chin up.

Speaking of which, our favorite Twitter “source” is at it again —

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Multiple relievers I'm hearing the #Cubs have had recent discussions with. Kelvin Herrera, Brad Brach, and Oliver Perez. #HotStove

Regardless of the stupid cat. Oliver Perez would be kind of interesting.... he was better than both Miller and Britton last year and he would definitely be cheaper. Perez and Allen as additions to the pen wouldn't be the worst moves.
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Re: 2018-19 Other Team Offseason Transactions Not Worth a New Thread

Postby Deeg » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:31 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
Have a seat, Neifi wrote:
Deeg wrote:Brach is still out there - chin up.

Speaking of which, our favorite Twitter “source” is at it again —

Charles the Cat
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Multiple relievers I'm hearing the #Cubs have had recent discussions with. Kelvin Herrera, Brad Brach, and Oliver Perez. #HotStove

Regardless of the stupid cat. Oliver Perez would be kind of interesting.... he was better than both Miller and Britton last year and he would definitely be cheaper. Perez and Allen as additions to the pen wouldn't be the worst moves.


Allen is probably my realistic upside hope for this hemorrhoid of an offseason, though I've seen no reports actually indicating the Cubs are interested.
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