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Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:59 pm

The Mets promoted John Ricco to Sr. VP and Strategy Officer, and he had some interesting things to say on strategy:

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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:15 am

The Pirates signed one of my favorite buy low pen candidates in Brandon Maurer to a MiL deal. They’ve got a decent track record with guys like this - hard throwers that can miss bats and spin a little but haven’t clicked anyway - so it might be a good match. The Pirates overall are quietly putting together a talented group of pitchers with some breakout candidates (I like Musgrove still, for instance).
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:28 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1091112021045633024

I’m sure he’ll be throwing 97+ in no time going there. Teams, rightfully, weren’t buying into his ~60 “good” innings or whatever in between injuries and suspect peripherals last year it appears with this contract.
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jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1091112021045633024

I’m sure he’ll be throwing 97+ in no time going there. Teams, rightfully, weren’t buying into his ~60 good innings or whatever in between injuries last year it appears with this contract.


I’d actually lean more towards this being clever than teams buying he outright sucks and last year was all fluke, particularly given the org doing the buying. It’s not as if teams are paying up for anyone the past two years so that’s definitely not a good guage
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jersey cubs fan wrote:https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1091112021045633024

I’m sure he’ll be throwing 97+ in no time going there. Teams, rightfully, weren’t buying into his ~60 good innings or whatever in between injuries last year it appears with this contract.


I’d actually lean more towards this being clever than teams buying he outright sucks and last year was all fluke, particularly given the org doing the buying. It’s not as if teams are paying up for anyone the past two years so that’s definitely not a good guage

Guys who are worth it the last two years are still largely getting paid in the end, even though the process and optics around the dragging out offseason sucks. The Wade Miley’s of the world aren’t, which they probably shouldn’t. I’d say the contract definitely tells me teams think last year was fraudulent and he mostly sucks. So I’d say it’s more a low risk/cheap move than being clever. Which is fine as your 5/6/7+ starter depth but he most likely just sucks and it doesn’t cost anything to give him a chance to maybe take some starts before Whitley is ready.
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Re: 2018-19 Other Team Offseason Transactions Not Worth a New Thread

Postby cl smooth » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:25 am

Nolan Arenado getting paid:

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cl smooth wrote:Nolan Arenado getting paid:


So KB will be getting $30 mil+ in 3 years
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Cubswin11 wrote:Guys who are worth it the last two years are still largely getting paid in the end, even though the process and optics around the dragging out offseason sucks. The Wade Miley’s of the world aren’t, which they probably shouldn’t. I’d say the contract definitely tells me teams think last year was fraudulent and he mostly sucks. So I’d say it’s more a low risk/cheap move than being clever. Which is fine as your 5/6/7+ starter depth but he most likely just sucks and it doesn’t cost anything to give him a chance to maybe take some starts before Whitley is ready.


We’re like 3-4 years removed from Brett Anderson getting $10 million off of averaging 51 mediocre-ish innings a year for 4 years during a much more pitcher friendly era of ball. This is probably a little deeper than Wade Miley isn’t a staff savior therefore it’s easy to conclude the market has spoken. Teams are being dirtbags because people can’t wait to defend how super duper smart they are, so you’re getting situations where a Pomeranz can’t match a Phil Coke up front, lots of talented guys are taking MiL deals with low salaries if rostered, and a guy like Miley with some 1200 above average innings under his belt without a significant injury and above average physical talent will have made like $5 million the past two seasons. He’s not the best bet to be bumped from their rotation for Whitley either. This isn’t a perception/optics thing.
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Postby Bluescale » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:54 am

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cl smooth wrote:Nolan Arenado getting paid:


So KB will be getting $30 mil+ in 3 years


He's been worth $184M already, so he really should be getting that $30M now.
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Re: 2018-19 Other Team Offseason Transactions Not Worth a New Thread

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Cubswin11 wrote:Guys who are worth it the last two years are still largely getting paid in the end, even though the process and optics around the dragging out offseason sucks. The Wade Miley’s of the world aren’t, which they probably shouldn’t. I’d say the contract definitely tells me teams think last year was fraudulent and he mostly sucks. So I’d say it’s more a low risk/cheap move than being clever. Which is fine as your 5/6/7+ starter depth but he most likely just sucks and it doesn’t cost anything to give him a chance to maybe take some starts before Whitley is ready.


We’re like 3-4 years removed from Brett Anderson getting $10 million off of averaging 51 mediocre-ish innings a year for 4 years during a much more pitcher friendly era of ball. This is probably a little deeper than Wade Miley isn’t a staff savior therefore it’s easy to conclude the market has spoken. Teams are being dirtbags because people can’t wait to defend how super duper smart they are, so you’re getting situations where a Pomeranz can’t match a Phil Coke up front, lots of talented guys are taking MiL deals with low salaries if rostered, and a guy like Miley with some 1200 above average innings under his belt without a significant injury and above average physical talent will have made like $5 million the past two seasons. He’s not the best bet to be bumped from their rotation for Whitley either. This isn’t a perception/optics thing.

Lance Lynn got 3/30 this offseason, Harvey got $10 million and Cobb And Chatwood got plenty last year. Teams are still spending stupidly on pitching. Wade Miley likely sucks with horsefeathers peripherals last year and he was hurt 2-3 times and was horrible in 2017, Pomeranz was horsefeathers and hurt last year too. What do you think these guys should’ve gotten?

Miley pitched 80.something innings last year and of SP who pitched at least that (145 total) he was 143rd in K/9, 81st in BB/9, tied for 88th in xFIP, and his HR numbers were ridiculously lower than his career average (60%+ lower). His batted ball profile wasn't a ton different from his career (in fact he gave up more hard contact than his career average) and his velo was the same +/-, he just threw the cutter more. He was some HR luck, sequencing/defensive shifting/BABIP luck away from being the same horsefeathers to league average pitcher he's always been.
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Cubswin11 wrote:Lance Lynn got 3/30 this offseason, Harvey got $10 million and Cobb And Chatwood got plenty last year. Teams are still spending stupidly on pitching. Wade Miley likely sucks with horsefeathers peripherals last year and he was hurt 2-3 times and was horrible in 2017, Pomeranz was horsefeathers and hurt last year too. What do you think these guys should’ve gotten?


Lance Lynn’s got nearly 350 average-above average innings as a SP the past two years. That’s easily worth more than $10 million a year, so likely he was forced to trade salary for years. His signing team wasn’t being super generous and giving him three years out of the goodness of their heart. The better explanation is he got 3 years for salary cap purposes. No reason he couldn’t get 2/30 or 3/45, it’s not even like that would change opinions so much since we’re already at the buyer being stupid for 3/30 anyway. Same for Chatwood, who had logged 300+ above average innings in 2016-2017 playing in Coors during this juiced ball era. $13 million a year for same production is again a steal, and some expected better. Pomeranz is a year removed from 170+ strong innings in the AL East with Fenway as his home park, and that season was more or less identical to his 2016. One bad season and he can’t even get what Phil Coke got to be a 25th man for a few weeks. Harvey’s the closest here to what you’re shooting for and he signed with a team more desparate for any kind of SP than pretty much any possible contender in baseball.

Miley’s more often than not been a competent and durable pitcher this decade and not all his periphs were bad. In a flyball and HR dominant offensive era he posted strong GB rates and kept the ball in the park, logged a 3.59 FIP, drew more swinging strikes, drew well above average whiff rates on his four seam, 3-4 pitches that consistently get beat into the ground, 3-4 pitchers that general whiffs at >10%...Yes the easy money is always on a pitcher coming in below expectations but this is worth more than $4.5 million in a more honest FA market. Hence you get a cheap but very smart competitive org like the Astros pouncing on a guy who very easily could end up a steal at that price...Beyond being able to get away with not doing it this should easily worth $8-10 million if not $12 million on a one year
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Postby Bluescale » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:30 am

Since no one else is saying, I'll go ahead and put this out there. Wade Miley sucks, and the owners blow. The two options don't have to be mutually exclusive from each other.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:56 am

Bluescale wrote:Since no one else is saying, I'll go ahead and put this out there. Wade Miley sucks, and the owners blow. The two options don't have to be mutually exclusive from each other.

Right. He sucks and got a deal reflecting such, it doesn’t take away from owners sucking and this isn’t a deal really indicative of them sucking.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:52 am

Very little if any of this conversation has anything to do with whether we think Wade Miley is good or not, though personally I don’t agree he outright sucks either. I definitely definitely do not agree that we should be pretending this a truly free market and it has spoken honestly.

Probably something here about dismantling the lower middle class by people who think the MLBPA is to blame for the plight of MiL players? Yeah I haven’t thought this second part out at all but something something
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Postby big ball chunky time » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:58 am

i still dont understand why the braves aren't in on harper or machado (or hell both)

their payroll is like $110m, freeman is locked up, literally everyone else is cheap. why not pair the acuna/albies (not convinced he's good but still) with two mid 20s super talents? They could sign both guys and still have a manageable payroll. They have a new stadium on the way, it makes too much sense. what am i missing
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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:02 am

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i still dont understand why the braves aren't in on harper or machado (or hell both)

their payroll is like $110m, freeman is locked up, literally everyone else is cheap. why not pair the acuna/albies (not convinced he's good but still) with two mid 20s super talents? They could sign both guys and still have a manageable payroll. They have a new stadium on the way, it makes too much sense. what am i missing

Yeah I don’t get it either. I thought they’d be way in on at least one and also the likes of Kimbrel, Pollock, Keuchel, Corbin and some of the other RPs. They already have their full tax payer funded stadium too, it opened last year or the year before.
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TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i still dont understand why the braves aren't in on harper or machado (or hell both)

their payroll is like $110m, freeman is locked up, literally everyone else is cheap. why not pair the acuna/albies (not convinced he's good but still) with two mid 20s super talents? They could sign both guys and still have a manageable payroll. They have a new stadium on the way, it makes too much sense. what am i missing


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Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:45 pm

cl smooth wrote:Nolan Arenado getting paid:



Just kidding about that saving our budget for Arenado thing
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Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:00 pm

How far the mighty have fallen

The Rangers announced Friday that they’ve signed veteran right-hander Jason Hammel to a minor league contract with an invitation to Major League Spring Training. Hammel is represented by ACES.


Also the Giants found their veteran outfielder:

The Giants announced Friday that they have claimed outfielder John Andreoli off waivers from the Rangers.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:57 pm

Mets signed a couple former Cubs in Arismendy Alcantara and Casey Coleman. They also signed Zach Lee, once a pretty high profile athlete.
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Clearing an OF spot for Heyward

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Postby big ball chunky time » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:28 pm

andreoli's projected OPS on BBREF is 0.017 lower than Jason Heyward's
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