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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:34 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Some suggested offseason trades for Theo:

Cubs get: Lewis Brinson CF/OF

Marlins get: Adbert Alzolay P

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Cubs get: Richard Lovelady LHRP

Royals get: Albert Almora CF/OF

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Cubs get: Manuel Margot CF, Dinelson Lamet/Luis Perdomo RHP

Padres get: Quintana LHSP, Cole Roederer MiL CF/OF
For as much as you harp on prospect K rates it just doesnt make sense to me that you would suggest going after Brinson. He also cant hit spin, at all, so we should stay the hell away.

However I do like the other 2 deals. But I'm not sure the Padres would.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:42 am

Tryptamine wrote:Brinson has had bust written on him for a while. He just can't make enough contact and his bat isn't loud enough to justify it. The 2nd deal I'd still probably do honestly. I'd still probably do Margot+Lamet too.


I think Brinson's woes are balanced by Alzolay's, and are probably easier to solve and/or work with with the whole power over hit profile that litters the lineup. Throw in that his home park's been super mean to hitters since opening and I think he's more change of scenery than bust. I do see what you're saying though, and maybe a little thirsty to find the next Aaron Hicks

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:For as much as you harp on prospect K rates it just doesnt make sense to me that you would suggest going after Brinson. He also cant hit spin, at all, so we should stay the hell away.

However I do like the other 2 deals. But I'm not sure the Padres would.


I fully hopped on the Brinson wagon after he went .331/.400/.562 with a sub-20% K rate in AAA at 23 in 2017. I was interested when drafted as basically a Brennen Davis premium frame premium athlete type, found him overrated over those contact issues when he nonetheless went .332/.403/.601 across High A/AA/AAA at 21 and hit the national lists, he had a strong low K AFL that year, and yeah eventually got back on the wagon...There's not a whole lot of guys in baseball right now who even might handle CF full time, hit, and hit for power so Brinson gets a little added interest there

Yeah, after dealing Reyes the Padres are probably much much less likely to deal Margot than they maybe were
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Deeg » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:33 pm

Lucroy clears waivers. Cubs almost have to be interested.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:43 pm

Deeg wrote:Lucroy clears waivers. Cubs almost have to be interested.


I can't figure out if he's actually cleared yet or not. I've seen conflicting reports.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Deeg » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:52 pm

It was in the OCR, who you'd figure would know.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:16 am

Deeg wrote:Lucroy clears waivers. Cubs almost have to be interested.

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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:35 am

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Deeg wrote:Lucroy clears waivers. Cubs almost have to be interested.



I feel like they should more than consider it. If the dude sucks twice a week, it won't be any worse than Taylor Davis.
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Postby ScrubMD » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:50 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:
Deeg wrote:Lucroy clears waivers. Cubs almost have to be interested.



I feel like they should more than consider it. If the dude sucks twice a week, it won't be any worse than Taylor Davis.


To Davis's credit, in his 36 career PA, one is a game-winning grand slam against the Cardinals, and one is an RBI single that ended the Cardinals season in 2017.

That's a pretty good use of 36 PA.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Edith Cox » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:12 am

The Nats DFA'ed Kyle Barraclough. He had a 2.54 his first 210 games before getting smashed his last 50 with a ton of HR and a extreme BABIP. The K's are still there, so I would love for us to roll the dice on him to see what happens.
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Postby squally1313 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:41 am

Edith Cox wrote:The Nats DFA'ed Kyle Barraclough. He had a 2.54 his first 210 games before getting smashed his last 50 with a ton of HR and a extreme BABIP. The K's are still there, so I would love for us to roll the dice on him to see what happens.


How do you even find these splits
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Postby Edith Cox » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:03 am

squally1313 wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:The Nats DFA'ed Kyle Barraclough. He had a 2.54 his first 210 games before getting smashed his last 50 with a ton of HR and a extreme BABIP. The K's are still there, so I would love for us to roll the dice on him to see what happens.


How do you even find these splits


Baseball-Reference has them in a couple clicks.

I knew he had a super low ERA most of last year and his career. So you go to his 2018 game log and see where he started to suck. He had a 1.28 ERA 44 games deep so next to his season game total they have his lifetime total. Click that number and it tells what his career stats were up to that point. From there you have the 210 he was good and he's worked in 260 games so he's been terrible for the last 50.

The 50 games since he's worked 39 innings to a 9.00 ERA and a.365 BABIP and a crazy 3 HR/9 but still with a 9.9 K/9.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:46 am

Maybe he should just be a fastball/change guy because he's lost the feel for his slider. Hes probably worth a looksie.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Banedon » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:11 pm

The Cubs getting Barraclough is really on the nose though.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby squally1313 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:27 pm

Edith Cox wrote:
squally1313 wrote:
Edith Cox wrote:The Nats DFA'ed Kyle Barraclough. He had a 2.54 his first 210 games before getting smashed his last 50 with a ton of HR and a extreme BABIP. The K's are still there, so I would love for us to roll the dice on him to see what happens.


How do you even find these splits


Baseball-Reference has them in a couple clicks.

I knew he had a super low ERA most of last year and his career. So you go to his 2018 game log and see where he started to suck. He had a 1.28 ERA 44 games deep so next to his season game total they have his lifetime total. Click that number and it tells what his career stats were up to that point. From there you have the 210 he was good and he's worked in 260 games so he's been terrible for the last 50.

The 50 games since he's worked 39 innings to a 9.00 ERA and a.365 BABIP and a crazy 3 HR/9 but still with a 9.9 K/9.


I mean

1. Arbitrarily picking cut off dates based on 'see where he started to suck' is really dumb, and essentially you're just parodying yourself at this point.

2. It's interesting how, in this scenario, you're totally fine ignoring his last 50 games and focusing on the 210 before. Would you mind doing that for Addison Russell?
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Tryptamine » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:20 pm

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:Maybe he should just be a fastball/change guy because he's lost the feel for his slider. Hes probably worth a looksie.


Much like Syndergaard and Strop, his slider issues may be the new ball. Supposedly the seams are having a very negative impact on that pitch for some guys. If the ball is eventually being changed back, he would be a really savvy pick up.
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Postby Edith Cox » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:22 pm

squally1313 wrote:I mean

1. Arbitrarily picking cut off dates based on 'see where he started to suck' is really dumb, and essentially you're just parodying yourself at this point.

2. It's interesting how, in this scenario, you're totally fine ignoring his last 50 games and focusing on the 210 before. Would you mind doing that for Addison Russell?


Do you know what arbitrarily means?

There is a clear point where he went from being one of the games best BP guys to one of the worst. With him still getting the K's and talent is still in there and leads you to believe he's still healthy. If we are going to sign some of the scrubs we've signed, I would like to take shots on talented guys.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:21 am

A Boston based national baseball writer I heard on some afternoon sports radio show didn't sound too optimistic about Betts staying in Boston. He said Betts wants to hit FA after next year at 28. I wasn't paying the most attention but that was the gist of it, didn't speculate on a trade
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:59 am

Some more suggested trades Theo should make happen unless He feels something better is there:

Cubs get: Blake Treinen RHRP

A's get: Kyle Schwarber LF/DH

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Cubs get: Lindor SS, Roberto Perez C

Indians get: Contreras C, Bote IF, Hoerner IF, Alzolay RHP, Marquez LHP


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Cubs get: Jose Rodriguez AAA RHP, Jared Walsh LHP/OF

Angels get: Tyler Chatwood RHP
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby champaignchris » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:29 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Some more suggested trades Theo should make happen unless He feels something better is there:

Cubs get: Blake Treinen RHRP

A's get: Kyle Schwarber LF/DH


I wouldn’t want to give up any actual resources to acquire Treinan.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby ConstableRabbit » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:49 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Cubs get: Lindor SS, Roberto Perez C

Indians get: Contreras C, Bote IF, Hoerner IF, Alzolay RHP, Marquez LHP

I think I'd do this.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Backtobanks » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:49 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:Cubs get: Lindor SS, Roberto Perez C

Indians get: Contreras C, Bote IF, Hoerner IF, Alzolay RHP, Marquez LHP

I think I'd do this.



Please tell me you're the GM of the Indians.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Tryptamine » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:39 am

Backtobanks wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:Cubs get: Lindor SS, Roberto Perez C

Indians get: Contreras C, Bote IF, Hoerner IF, Alzolay RHP, Marquez LHP

I think I'd do this.



Please tell me you're the GM of the Indians.


With the cash crunch in the off season and already having to replace Hamels,Zobrist,Castellanos,Cishek,Kintzler etc, adding another high priced player and creating even more holes isn't really feasible even if he is a stud.
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