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Re: 2020 roster

Postby squally1313 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:15 pm

CubinNY wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/chicagosports/status/1194698986780790785?s=21

with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

It's a minor league deal where it's implied that Morrow wants to pay the Cubs back for all the time and money they've invested in him. If that's the case, there is literally no downside to this, nor does it get in the way of any other move.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby CubinNY » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:21 pm

squally1313 wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/chicagosports/status/1194698986780790785?s=21

with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

It's a minor league deal where it's implied that Morrow wants to pay the Cubs back for all the time and money they've invested in him. If that's the case, there is literally no downside to this, nor does it get in the way of any other move.

Not suggesting otherwise, just making a joke.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby squally1313 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:32 pm

CubinNY wrote:
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CubinNY wrote:with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

It's a minor league deal where it's implied that Morrow wants to pay the Cubs back for all the time and money they've invested in him. If that's the case, there is literally no downside to this, nor does it get in the way of any other move.

Not suggesting otherwise, just making a joke.

My bad...had seen some much more serious versions of those words in much worse parts of the internet.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:36 pm

McDaniel's comments on Contreras' trade value has me thinking this might be more along the lines of a good trade with the Rays:

Rays get: Contreras C
Cubs get: Jose Lowe CF, Ryne Stanek RHP, Jalen Beeks LHP

Hard to imagine they trade the 2018 CY winner who happens to be both in his 20s and under a steal of a contract for Contreras. Josh Lowe became a new favored prospect this week as a AAA ready CF prospect with good ARLs, tools, and performance who isn't seen as a top 50 guy like Drew Waters nor does he play for an NL team like Manuel Margot. Stanek and Beeks aren't Blake Snell but have arms that would fit in here, offer alot of flexibility...Maybe the Rays squeeze in another player?
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:55 pm

Stanek is on the Marlins now, he got moved at the deadline. But I like him as a target nonetheless in a separate deal. If a Jon Gray deal can’t happen for Willy, I’d be fine with a Margot, Lamet, Hedges deal with maybe a prospect in their 8-13 range and maybe a little something more from us going back.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:28 pm

Stanek's a Marlin? Good for them, yeah I'd be into trading for him and still would love that Padres deal

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Theo should try this totally realistic offseason:

Angels get: Heyward OF, Quintana SP, Chatwood SP, David Bote IF
Cubs get: Justin Upton OF, Zack Cozart IF, Patrick Sandoval LHP, Hector Yan LHP

Rays get: Willson Contreras C, Tyson Miller RHSP, Dillon Maples RHRP
Cubs get: Josh Lowe CF, Vidal Brujan/Taylor Walls MIF, Jalen Beeks LHP, Joe Ryan MiL RHP

Combined 2020 savings: ~$7 million

Indians get: Nico Hoerner SS, Vidal Brujan/Taylor Walls MIF, Ryan Jensen RHP, Brailyn Marquez LHP, Riley Thompson RHP
Cubs get: Francisco Lindor SS, Sam Hentges/Scott Moss MiL LHP

FAs: Gerritt Cole RHSP, Yan Gomes C, Billy Hamilton CF, Strop RHRP

MiL FAs: Tyler Thornburg RHRP, Tony Cingani LHRP, Robbie Erlin LHRP, Bryan Mitchell RHRP, Josh Fields RHRP, Kohl Stewart RHRP, Zach McCallister RHRP

C: Gomes/Caratini
1B: Rizzo/Caratini/Cozart
2B: Baez/Cozart
SS: Lindor/Baez/Cozart
3B: Bryant/Cozart/Baez

OF: Upton/Bryant/Happ/Hamilton
OF: Happ/Hamilton
OF: Schwarber/Hamilton/Upton/Happ

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Darvish
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Beeks
Mills
Sandoval
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Kimbrel
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Strop
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Walk out with an ace, future CF, out of the Heyward deal, payroll 's just under $248 by my imagined count, farms intact so trades can be made at the deadline, there's alot more SP and therefore P depth...
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:33 pm

squally1313 wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/chicagosports/status/1194698986780790785?s=21

with ballsy moves like these, the Cubs are poised to reclaim their spot atop the NL Central.

It's a minor league deal where it's implied that Morrow wants to pay the Cubs back for all the time and money they've invested in him. If that's the case, there is literally no downside to this, nor does it get in the way of any other move.

Right I don’t get how people can be against this. He’d cost a couple hundred thousand and never pitch in the worst case scenario. He was one of the top ~12 (forget exactly where but he was elite) relief pitchers in MLB in the first half in 2018 before he got hurt, he likely never pitches again but it’s worth the risk and if it’s not him they should always be looking to add a guy or two like him every offseason that costs nothing coming off injury that was previously good. I think it’s a smart way to potentially fall in to quality depth as you build out a team.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:38 pm

Wow, duh add Morrow to those MiL deals and wow does that make an already badass imaginary offseason more badass
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:38 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Walk out with an ace, future CF, out of the Heyward deal, payroll 's just under $248 by my imagined count, farms intact so trades can be made at the deadline, there's alot more SP and therefore P depth...

They’re not going to get anywhere close to touching $248 going in to the year. That’s just a completely unrealistic expectation for the offseason.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:40 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:They’re not going to get anywhere close to touching $248 going in to the year. That’s just a completely unrealistic expectation for the offseason.


I agree with the second sentence because the major players are better than Castellanos or Jason Castro but probably still not clicking on why they wouldn't max out the cap this year
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:46 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:They’re not going to get anywhere close to touching $248 going in to the year. That’s just a completely unrealistic expectation for the offseason.


I agree with the second sentence because the major players are better than Castellanos or Jason Castro but probably still not clicking on why they wouldn't max out the cap this year


Is it because Ricketts is so squishy-looking he doesn't technically make any clicking sounds?
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:58 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Is it because Ricketts is so squishy-looking he doesn't technically make any clicking sounds?


Lindor's from PR so the Ricketts can claim they're woke on two fronts. The owners because Puerto Rico is a tax haven and to the fans for gathering the two biggest Puerto Rican stars of the day in their primes. Dual fronts!
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:04 pm

I think you're actually talking about the disease.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:24 am

Good to hear a notional guy somewhat confirm he’s available. I think he’s my #1 target of reasonably available/realistic guys via trade or FA that we also could afford (money or player capital) to get. Anyone past the Nico/Amaya/Davis/Marquez line of prospects would be available to get him, for me on top of the ML trade pieces we have like Happ, Willy, Vic, etc.


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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:23 pm

https://theathletic.com/1375584/2019/11 ... ed-article

The thrust of the article:

- The Cubs aren't likely to go with a Schwarber/Heyward/Castellanos outfield as a long term solution, mostly for defensive reasons
- Heyward isn't tradeable
- The Cubs see Schwarber as similar to Castellanos and believe in his 2nd half turnaround(it elaborates on Schwarber's mental adjustment)

As a result, the conclusion is they're not likely to bring Castellanos back, and instead are focusing more on CF.

“That’s certainly an area where we’re looking to improve our performance,” Epstein said. “Whether it’s through players existing on the roster or from outside. There is a corresponding impact, especially defensively. Who you have playing center affects the other two outfielders a little bit and it affects your pitching staff. We’re also looking to reshape our offense a little bit, so center field will have an impact on that. Certainly it’s an area of need and we’re aware of it. There’s some players on the roster as it stands, who, with some adjustments, can perform better and help be part of the solution.”


It also mentions that the FO believes in Almora enough to tender him and not try to dump him for nothing, and also that it's unlikely that Happ enters the 2020 CF race without real competition.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:29 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:https://theathletic.com/1375584/2019/11/14/young-st-nick-castellanos-wont-be-stopping-on-the-north-side-but-keeping-kyle-schwarber-could-be-a-gift/?source=shared-article

The thrust of the article:

- The Cubs aren't likely to go with a Schwarber/Heyward/Castellanos outfield as a long term solution, mostly for defensive reasons
- Heyward isn't tradeable
- The Cubs see Schwarber as similar to Castellanos and believe in his 2nd half turnaround(it elaborates on Schwarber's mental adjustment)

As a result, the conclusion is they're not likely to bring Castellanos back, and instead are focusing more on CF.

“That’s certainly an area where we’re looking to improve our performance,” Epstein said. “Whether it’s through players existing on the roster or from outside. There is a corresponding impact, especially defensively. Who you have playing center affects the other two outfielders a little bit and it affects your pitching staff. We’re also looking to reshape our offense a little bit, so center field will have an impact on that. Certainly it’s an area of need and we’re aware of it. There’s some players on the roster as it stands, who, with some adjustments, can perform better and help be part of the solution.”


It also mentions that the FO believes in Almora enough to tender him and not try to dump him for nothing, and also that it's unlikely that Happ enters the 2020 CF race without real competition.

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Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:39 pm

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Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:51 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:It also mentions that the FO believes in Almora enough to tender him


That's insane for a team on a budget.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:47 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:https://theathletic.com/1375584/2019/11/14/young-st-nick-castellanos-wont-be-stopping-on-the-north-side-but-keeping-kyle-schwarber-could-be-a-gift/?source=shared-article

The thrust of the article:

- The Cubs aren't likely to go with a Schwarber/Heyward/Castellanos outfield as a long term solution, mostly for defensive reasons
- Heyward isn't tradeable
- The Cubs see Schwarber as similar to Castellanos and believe in his 2nd half turnaround(it elaborates on Schwarber's mental adjustment)

It also mentions that the FO believes in Almora enough to tender him and not try to dump him for nothing, and also that it's unlikely that Happ enters the 2020 CF race without real competition.


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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:16 pm

Lamet is becoming more intriguing than Gray to me in a potential Willy trade

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2019/ ... -bumgarner
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:41 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Lamet is becoming more intriguing than Gray to me in a potential Willy trade

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2019/ ... -bumgarner



As a thought exercise, Contreras, Quintana, and a few million for Lamet, Margot, Hedges, and Munoz gets a substantial amount of shopping done for one deal. The Padres get more rotation certainty on top of a big catcher upgrade without giving up much 2019 productivity or financial flexibility to make further rotation upgrades. The Cubs could then get another live arm but question-mark SP(I mentioned Bote for Yonny Chirinos a few pages back) to go with a volume approach for the rotation(and pen), plus they'd have most all their powder dry to make a significant move elsewhere even though they've mostly covered the gaping holes at that point(2B would be the biggest question mark). You could even realistically consider if the trade cost were low enough to try and shake loose Betts or Lindor, since you've at least made some attempt to paper over the other concerns.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:45 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Lamet is becoming more intriguing than Gray to me in a potential Willy trade

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2019/ ... -bumgarner



As a thought exercise, Contreras, Quintana, and a few million for Lamet, Margot, Hedges, and Munoz gets a substantial amount of shopping done for one deal. The Padres get more rotation certainty on top of a big catcher upgrade without giving up much 2019 productivity or financial flexibility to make further rotation upgrades. The Cubs could then get another live arm but question-mark SP(I mentioned Bote for Yonny Chirinos a few pages back) to go with a volume approach for the rotation(and pen), plus they'd have most all their powder dry to make a significant move elsewhere even though they've mostly covered the gaping holes at that point(2B would be the biggest question mark). You could even realistically consider if the trade cost were low enough to try and shake loose Betts or Lindor, since you've at least made some attempt to paper over the other concerns.

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Postby Tryptamine » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:19 pm

What am I missing. Hedges is strong defensively but can't hit. Margot is strong defensively but can't hit. Munoz is enticing, but I think there's a very high chance Lamet,who only really throws 2 pitches, winds up a reliever as well.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:26 pm

Tryptamine wrote:What am I missing. Hedges is strong defensively but can't hit. Margot is strong defensively but can't hit. Munoz is enticing, but I think there's a very high chance Lamet,who only really throws 2 pitches, winds up a reliever as well.


Team wants to get younger, cheaper, and better defensively up they middle so they get two of the best, young, cheap defensive players in baseball. Both have some bat upside potential ceiling to develop, Margot adds a RH OF bat that can hit LHHs immediately which also is a great fit. I think Lamet's got a better shot at starting long term now that that whole bullpening nonsense will come back to earth a little, not a huge ceiling or anything just BOR innings like not so long ago, but yeah a couple years ago he'd be firmly in the future reliever bucket for me too
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