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Re: 2020 roster

Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:27 pm

Deeg wrote:I think the most objective reading of the tea leaves right now is that the Rickettses got what they wanted in 2016, and at this point they see the franchise as an ATM and nothing more. If someone wants to read them more positively that's certainly valid - I just don't see it myself.


They were always an ATM.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:09 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:
Deeg wrote:I think the most objective reading of the tea leaves right now is that the Rickettses got what they wanted in 2016, and at this point they see the franchise as an ATM and nothing more. If someone wants to read them more positively that's certainly valid - I just don't see it myself.


They were always an ATM.


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Re: 2020 roster

Postby sneakypower » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:48 pm

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Gmoney23 wrote:5 years of 94 win baseball, 4 years in the crapshoot and winning the crapshoot is a C+?

Im extemely happy with the last 5 years... where ill be pissed is if they cant resign most or the core after their rookie deals. The tank and the years of cost-controlled assets were supposedly savings designed to allow us to flex our muscle when it came time to pay these guys.


They've been in charge more than 5 years.

Their actual average is 84-win baseball. Which, given their financial advantages, I think a C+ is plenty generous.


So the Astros get a C+ this decade as well? Their losing was even more horrendous. I can take rebuids if they give 5 year stretches like the most recent, the problem is they should not need to rebuild this core already.

they're set up to be an elite team for the foreseeable future, and we're now looking down the barrel at another rebuild
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:23 pm

The Astros rotation is currently two 36 year olds, Lance McCullers(who didn't throw a professional inning in 2019 rehabbing TJS), and their 9th and 19th best prospects who combined for an ERA around 4.75 at AAA. I'm sure they'll sign some MiLB FA that they give their special pine tar to in order to make them the new Charlie Morton, but at the moment there are, uh, concerns.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby sneakypower » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:11 pm

and their offensive WAR was 150% that of the #2 offense in the league
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:53 pm

sneakypower wrote:and their offensive WAR was 150% that of the #2 offense in the league


They got just under 14 fWAR (!) from Cole and Verlander. Cole is gone and Verlander is a strong bet to be good but less than 6 wins good. No one would say they're gonna suck but given the state of their pitching I wouldn't overstate how surefire their dominance is in 2020 and beyond.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:02 pm

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sneakypower wrote:and their offensive WAR was 150% that of the #2 offense in the league


They got just under 14 fWAR (!) from Cole and Verlander. Cole is gone and Verlander is a strong bet to be good but less than 6 wins good. No one would say they're gonna suck but given the state of their pitching I wouldn't overstate how surefire their dominance is in 2020 and beyond.

They also got just the 2nd season in 5-7 years out of Brantley where he played more than 90 games. It’s probably more likely he plays in closer to 100 games than 140 games again this year, Alvarez was awesome for like 70 games and he might not be THAT good over a full season, etc.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby David » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:16 pm

sneakypower wrote:and their offensive WAR was 150% that of the #2 offense in the league


what happens when they don't know what pitch is coming
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:51 pm

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/depth_ ... p?c_id=chc

It's crazy how much more badass this position group would look if they had just paid for Cole or how interesting the pitching might behind the lineup if they added a stud MIFer somehow. The OF needs a rewind to the Yelich trade though, no idea how to make that thing better besides upgrading the CF defense somehow.

Anyway...while I probably wouldn't *watch* this team outside of the occasional primetime national broadcast...it's a pretty good looking team? One of the national guys mentioned how the Dodgers might need a superstar to actually upgrade their roster. This is a comment I've been making about the Cubs in longer or more angry words for 3 years now, still really holds true - I don't think Nick Castellanos does much but a Gerrit Cole would have made this the best team in baseball

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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:10 pm



I thought the MLB minimum had gotten higher than 575k

edit: it was 555k in 2019
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:22 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:

I thought the MLB minimum had gotten higher than 575k

edit: it was 555k in 2019

Looks like this years Johnny Field signing for minor league OF depth, more or less.
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Postby Wrigley Rat » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:03 pm

Noel Cuevas will make $575K if he makes it to the major league roster. Although his numbers don't look very special, there are a few reasons he might be worth a contract:
- Mexican Winter League: .371 average in 28 games.
- When he bats 9th in the order: 37 PA 351/351/514/865
- Batting at Wrigley Field: 6 PA 833/833/833/1667
- Pinch Hitting: 28 PA 286/310/393/703
- Similarly effective vs. LHPs and RHPs
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:35 am

Yasiel Puig finished 2019 with a .377 OBP for the Indians over 200+ PAs, put up a .357 OBP / .791 OPS against LHP, is only 29 during the 2020 season...Should the Cubs be interested in him at say 1 year / $10-12 million?

This seems like it could make for a good OF depth chart:

RF: Puig / Heyward / Bryant / Happ
CF: Heyward / Happ / Bryant /Puig
LF: Schwarber / Happ / Puig / Bryant

Happ's the main backup at all 3 spots really but is also free to play the infield still, so there's actually more ways to get him PAs than less without actually starting him. They can build a pretty monstrous lineup against LHP with a Bryant - Happ - Puig OF and Baez, Contreras, and Bote starting in the infield...Isn't he like one of those good dudes they tried to make a bad dude but he got past it? Or has he done some criminal stuff?
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:06 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Yasiel Puig finished 2019 with a .377 OBP for the Indians over 200+ PAs, put up a .357 OBP / .791 OPS against LHP, is only 29 during the 2020 season...Should the Cubs be interested in him at say 1 year / $10-12 million?

This seems like it could make for a good OF depth chart:

RF: Puig / Heyward / Bryant / Happ
CF: Heyward / Happ / Bryant /Puig
LF: Schwarber / Happ / Puig / Bryant

Happ's the main backup at all 3 spots really but is also free to play the infield still, so there's actually more ways to get him PAs than less without actually starting him. They can build a pretty monstrous lineup against LHP with a Bryant - Happ - Puig OF and Baez, Contreras, and Bote starting in the infield...Isn't he like one of those good dudes they tried to make a bad dude but he got past it? Or has he done some criminal stuff?

Puig would be interesting, no idea what he'd cost. I'd assume Garcia's 2/20 that he just signed will be the minimum. Puig has oddly been significantly better vs RHP than LHP for his career, 130 wRC+ vs RHP 109 vs LHP, but it could be some batted ball stuff as he walks more and Ks less vs LHP. It would be nice if he could handle CF a bit but if we shift better, Heyward in CF and him in RF can probably net some positive results. As far as I'm aware he's never done anything bad, bad off the field or anything. It's always been team disciplinary stuff with showing up late to things, skipping things, disagreements/fighting with coaching about things, etc. type deals. Also if I recall some Dodgers didn't have the greatest things to say once he left but who knows, would have to trust you could do enough back checking with former teams/players/coaches to figure out if he's really an issue or not.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:23 am

Puig might be be able to handle the smaller CFs like Wrigley alright enough? Running a kind of jumbo package OF with Schwarber - Puig - Heyward for the hell of it seems like it could be fun when they play tanking teams or during soft parts of the schedule...Could go Contreras - Rizzo - Happ - Baez - Bryant - Puig - Heyward - Schwarber...I was surprised/impressed he's had OBPs of .382 and .391 in the MLs...Seems to be ready to play in the playoffs too so that's nice...Seems pretty animated on the field but in a good way ala Castellanos when things are going well
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Deeg » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:38 am

Unless Puig is willing to sign for the minimum plus a box of Papa John's and Walgreen's coupons, he's too rich for our blood anyway.
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Postby Backtobanks » Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:13 pm

Deeg wrote:Unless Puig is willing to sign for the minimum plus a box of Papa John's and Walgreen's coupons, he's too rich for our blood anyway.


Not after you trade Bryant, Quintana, Chatwood, and Darvish.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:54 pm

My god, signing Puig would be like injecting a ray of desperately needed sunshine right into my heart at this point. Yes, please.
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:55 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Puig might be be able to handle the smaller CFs like Wrigley alright enough? Running a kind of jumbo package OF with Schwarber - Puig - Heyward for the hell of it seems like it could be fun when they play tanking teams or during soft parts of the schedule


They don't typically do intrasquad games during the season.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:03 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:My god, signing Puig would be like injecting a ray of desperately needed sunshine right into my heart at this point. Yes, please.




Shall we say; Puigshine
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:13 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:Puig might be be able to handle the smaller CFs like Wrigley alright enough? Running a kind of jumbo package OF with Schwarber - Puig - Heyward for the hell of it seems like it could be fun when they play tanking teams or during soft parts of the schedule


They don't typically do intrasquad games during the season.


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Pretty nuts that even Puig, who has never had a $10 million dollar salary heading into FA, is pretty easy to see as a big ask of the Cubs...He might not be close enough to Opportunistic Buy status for this mom and poppa Joe operation
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:24 pm

Another thing I randomly noticed while using my time productively...Ian Happ games started and played in the MLs by position during 2019:

2B (9 of 13)

CF (7 of 13)

3B (5 of 8)

LF (3 of 15)

1B (3 of 7)

RF (1 of 8)

The Cubs.com offseason depth chart doesn't have him at 2B at all but does have him down the 3B depth chart
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Re: 2020 roster

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:52 am

He was 26/27 but slashed .269/.351/.449 in AAA last year with a 10% BB rate, 18% K rate, 11 dongs, 30 2Bs and 29 steals. AAAA guy basically but some speed and D, 160 steals and only 24 CS last 4 years. Steamer projects him for a 65 wRC+ this year, which is 1 better than Almora last year.

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