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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Derwood » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:49 pm

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Tim wrote:Trading Bryant for a mediocre return would free up a lot of time for me next summer, though.

You know, on the bright side.


Yep. I don’t understand the enthusiasm behind trading him when the return is sure to be underwhelming.

Nobody seems enthusiastic about it, it’s been a rumor so it’s been discussed what would be an acceptable return but nobody seems to be saying it should and needs to be done. How do you know it will be underwhelming?


There is enthusiasm for it in other corners of the internet.

And I don’t know that it will be underwhelming, but I’m personally not excited about trading him for lottery tickets.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby David » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:59 pm

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Yep. I don’t understand the enthusiasm behind trading him when the return is sure to be underwhelming.

Nobody seems enthusiastic about it, it’s been a rumor so it’s been discussed what would be an acceptable return but nobody seems to be saying it should and needs to be done. How do you know it will be underwhelming?


There is enthusiasm for it in other corners of the internet.

And I don’t know that it will be underwhelming, but I’m personally not excited about trading him for lottery tickets.


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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:03 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:How do you know it will be underwhelming?


I'm too lazy to dig up the long and terrible history of trading superstars in their prime so can't say know for sure, but yeah probably can say history is not kind to the sports teams that trades a Kris Bryant caliber player

It's very very very likely to be underwhelming and to set the Cubs back years

I really really don't buy the Cubs have to trade any of these guys anymore. Bryant, Baez, Rizzo, Hendricks, Contreras, and Schwarber is a great start to an everyday + playoffs roster in 2020, can play the same will they/won't they game next offseason when everyone but Rizzo and Hendricks is 29 tops
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Derwood » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:27 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:Nobody seems enthusiastic about it, it’s been a rumor so it’s been discussed what would be an acceptable return but nobody seems to be saying it should and needs to be done. How do you know it will be underwhelming?


There is enthusiasm for it in other corners of the internet.

And I don’t know that it will be underwhelming, but I’m personally not excited about trading him for lottery tickets.


would you stop updating us on what's going on at the cubs den and bcb comment sections


Lol, I’ve never visited either of those sites, but sure.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Splendid Splinter » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:32 pm

Lets say the Braves are legit interested in trading for Bryant.

What kind of package would it take at a minimum in order to be "ok" with trading Bryant? Not asking what the ideal perfect world trade package, but something that you're comfortable with.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:48 pm

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Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:We have had the nucleus of the 2016 World Series team the last three seasons and even added some impact pieces around it, and we have gone from winning the division, to winning the Wild Card to not making the playoffs. I don't believe we are winning the World Series in 2020 and I don't really want to have them sign a 30-year-old KB long-term after 2021 any way.


Any team with the starpower of Bryant, Baez, Hendricks, and to a lesser extent Rizzo has the foundation needed to win the world series. The supporting cast is a lot easier to fix/replace/have better luck, so you shouldn’t be writing off 2020 at all.

While this is true, if they have to get under 208 for reasons I just don’t see how you build a proper team to win this year.


If they’re currently tapped out, it’s definitely more difficult but not impossible when you have role player salaries with value you can go full Dipoto on(Quintana, Schwarber, Bote, Contreras) to increase your variance but keep the foundation with the chance of a better supporting cast. If we need to cut from the current roster I’m going to be so angry that I refuse to consider it because we are already considering trading Bryant and I only have so much anger.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:51 pm

Splendid Splinter wrote:Lets say the Braves are legit interested in trading for Bryant.

What kind of package would it take at a minimum in order to be "ok" with trading Bryant? Not asking what the ideal perfect world trade package, but something that you're comfortable with.


Something like Newcomb, Pache, and Wright doesn’t make me feel all that warm and fuzzy, but it would be a good combination of underlying talent, unrealized upside, and MLB ready contributions. It almost certainly makes them worse in 2020, and when you combine it with the fact that Braves fans would probably howl in anger at that package, makes me feel it’s in the ballpark.

If we’re truly punting on 2020, you need to consolidate. Reunite him with Maddon and get Jo Adell.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:12 pm

Splendid Splinter wrote:Lets say the Braves are legit interested in trading for Bryant.

What kind of package would it take at a minimum in order to be "ok" with trading Bryant? Not asking what the ideal perfect world trade package, but something that you're comfortable with.


Max Fried, Drew Waters, Ian Anderson, and Bryce Wilson maybe? Fried, Waters, Anderson, Wright, and Wilson? So basically rebuild the pitching staff and get a CF
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:24 pm

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Splendid Splinter wrote:Lets say the Braves are legit interested in trading for Bryant.

What kind of package would it take at a minimum in order to be "ok" with trading Bryant? Not asking what the ideal perfect world trade package, but something that you're comfortable with.


Something like Newcomb, Pache, and Wright doesn’t make me feel all that warm and fuzzy, but it would be a good combination of underlying talent, unrealized upside, and MLB ready contributions. It almost certainly makes them worse in 2020, and when you combine it with the fact that Braves fans would probably howl in anger at that package, makes me feel it’s in the ballpark.

If we’re truly punting on 2020, you need to consolidate. Reunite him with Maddon and get Jo Adell.

I think this is my preferred route in trading KB if they decide to do it. Get the highest upside/highest rated guy, even if he might not play for a year or two instead of trying to thread this needle of adding major league ready dudes for him who could help this year but aren’t as good as KB and you aren’t replacing KB with an equal talent (Rendon, Mookie, etc.).
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Bertz » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:31 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
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Splendid Splinter wrote:Lets say the Braves are legit interested in trading for Bryant.

What kind of package would it take at a minimum in order to be "ok" with trading Bryant? Not asking what the ideal perfect world trade package, but something that you're comfortable with.


Something like Newcomb, Pache, and Wright doesn’t make me feel all that warm and fuzzy, but it would be a good combination of underlying talent, unrealized upside, and MLB ready contributions. It almost certainly makes them worse in 2020, and when you combine it with the fact that Braves fans would probably howl in anger at that package, makes me feel it’s in the ballpark.

If we’re truly punting on 2020, you need to consolidate. Reunite him with Maddon and get Jo Adell.

I think this is my preferred route in trading KB. Get the highest upside/highest rated guy, even if he might not play for a year or two instead of trying to thread this needle of adding major league ready dudes for him who could help this year but aren’t as good as KB and you aren’t replacing KB with an equal talent (Rendon, Mookie, etc.).


Yeah I think a Contreras trade would be focused on the very short term, while a KB trade could be more medium term since you're ensuring a step back in 2020 (and you do have his $18 to help sort of mitigate the short term loss).
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby David » Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:42 pm

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There is enthusiasm for it in other corners of the internet.

And I don’t know that it will be underwhelming, but I’m personally not excited about trading him for lottery tickets.


would you stop updating us on what's going on at the cubs den and bcb comment sections


Lol, I’ve never visited either of those sites, but sure.


Uhhhh lol

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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Splendid Splinter » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:20 pm

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Splendid Splinter wrote:Lets say the Braves are legit interested in trading for Bryant.

What kind of package would it take at a minimum in order to be "ok" with trading Bryant? Not asking what the ideal perfect world trade package, but something that you're comfortable with.


Something like Newcomb, Pache, and Wright doesn’t make me feel all that warm and fuzzy, but it would be a good combination of underlying talent, unrealized upside, and MLB ready contributions. It almost certainly makes them worse in 2020, and when you combine it with the fact that Braves fans would probably howl in anger at that package, makes me feel it’s in the ballpark.

If we’re truly punting on 2020, you need to consolidate. Reunite him with Maddon and get Jo Adell.


I had similar thoughts as well. I was thinking Newcomb, Waters, Wright, and a lottery type guy (Greg Cullen maybe?). You could talk me into Kyle Muller or Patrick Weigel instead of Newcomb to get more of younger/prospects type package.

Saw this on a Braves fan website who threw out this package for Bryant: Austin Riley, Kyle Wright, Kyle Muller, and maybe a low-level prospect. They would have to throw in the low level prospect in this package and it would be someone in the 11-20 range in their system. I'm not a fan of Riley, but can see why this guy would throw him in there.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Derwood » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:20 pm

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would you stop updating us on what's going on at the cubs den and bcb comment sections


Lol, I’ve never visited either of those sites, but sure.


Uhhhh lol

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3195&p=383940&hilit=Derwood#p383933


One can know what those sites think without visiting them. There are these things called Facebook and Twitter, you see...
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby David » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:33 pm

Derwood wrote:
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Lol, I’ve never visited either of those sites, but sure.


Uhhhh lol

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3195&p=383940&hilit=Derwood#p383933


One can know what those sites think without visiting them. There are these things called Facebook and Twitter, you see...

What the hell do you even think you're saying
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Derwood » Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:41 pm

It's weird how much this bothers you
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nothing is bothering me. i just take joy in making fun of you.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

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David wrote:
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David wrote:
would you stop updating us on what's going on at the cubs den and bcb comment sections


Lol, I’ve never visited either of those sites, but sure.


Uhhhh lol

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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Derwood » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:27 am

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
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Lol, I’ve never visited either of those sites, but sure.


Uhhhh lol

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This isn't the epic ownage you think it is.
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This isn't the epic ownage you think it is.

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If you think the not-even-a-technicality that you consume your media by following BCB or whatever on facebook instead of visiting the actual url absolves you from the absurd, fantastic ownage you just got handed, then you would be Derwood.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:16 am

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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Derwood » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:40 am

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:If you think the not-even-a-technicality that you consume your media by following BCB or whatever on facebook instead of visiting the actual url absolves you from the absurd, fantastic ownage you just got handed, then you would be Derwood.


If "reading the headline of an article someone posts on facebook" counts as "following BCB" then sure, guy, YOU GOT ME WOW
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