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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Bertz » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:59 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1212931961297231872?s=21


Since the Cubs won't spend any money, what the hell is their bullpen going to look like? Kimbrel, Wick, Wieck, Ryan, Maples, Norwood, Winkler??? Should be a fun year...


Tepera, Megill, and Morrow(if healthy) are likely to be ahead of Maples and Norwood on the pecking order, but that's likely the base group. Of all the things to be upset about, the bullpen looks pretty fine given the nature of bullpens.


Yeah, I wish there was one more established guy, but I like the idea of having ~15 guys with minor league options and/or making the league minimum competing for 6 spots. I expect good things out of the pen this year, even if it might be a little dicey in April.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:32 pm

Oh, that list is also missing Chatwood, who I understand if you consider him temporarily holding the 5 starter slot, but in all likelihood is destined for the pen after someone leapfrogs him(trade acquisition, Cotton, Alzolay, etc).
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby CyHawk_Cub » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:35 pm

Yeah, lots of of bullpen depth if nothing else going into ST. I just hope the evaluation process is quick. Watching the pen get bombed so much early on, then seeing Wick come up late in the year doing his thing made me think "what if" a couple times.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:15 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:Yeah, lots of of bullpen depth if nothing else going into ST. I just hope the evaluation process is quick. Watching the pen get bombed so much early on, then seeing Wick come up late in the year doing his thing made me think "what if" a couple times.

Seeing as they don’t have as many guys on major league salaries and out of options as last year I think they’ll be far more aggressive with shuffling through guys in season if performance dictates it.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Bertz » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:04 pm

Signing Starlin Castro is the type of move a team about to trade Carter Kieboom would do. But it's also a move a team whose top reserve infielder is Wilmer Difo would do, so I don't know that there are actually any Cubs implications we can correctly parse.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:06 pm

Bertz wrote:Signing Starlin Castro is the type of move a team about to trade Carter Kieboom would do. But it's also a move a team whose top reserve infielder is Wilmer Difo would do, so I don't know that there are actually any Cubs implications we can correctly parse.

Good point in Kieboom, there could be some dot connecting there. They also re-signed Howie. So him and Starlin are their backup/2B options.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:10 pm

How does signing a 30 YO Starlin Castro signal that a team is getting ready to trade their top infield prospect given how teams operate these days? Castro's been a 1-2 WAR guy for half a decade now
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:13 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:How does signing a 30 YO Starlin Castro signal that a team is getting ready to trade their top infield prospect given how teams operate these days? Castro's been a 1-2 WAR guy for half a decade now

Because they’re using their top IF prospect to get more certainty in a 4-5+ win KB and still need to backfill depth on the infield. I think it’s some reasonable dot connecting.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:20 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Because they’re using their top IF prospect to get more certainty in a 4-5+ win KB and still need to backfill depth on the infield. I think it’s some reasonable dot connecting.


Ah, so basically just a thing that got said to force more Kris Bryant trade talk...My bad, you two do your thing on that one
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Backtobanks » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:33 pm

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TomtheBombadil wrote:How does signing a 30 YO Starlin Castro signal that a team is getting ready to trade their top infield prospect given how teams operate these days? Castro's been a 1-2 WAR guy for half a decade now

Because they’re using their top IF prospect to get more certainty in a 4-5+ win KB and still need to backfill depth on the infield. I think it’s some reasonable dot connecting.


I think the only thing it signals is that other teams are trying to fill holes while the Cubs continue to wait on a KB decision.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby David » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:50 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:Because they’re using their top IF prospect to get more certainty in a 4-5+ win KB and still need to backfill depth on the infield. I think it’s some reasonable dot connecting.


Ah, so basically just a thing that got said to force more Kris Bryant trade talk...My bad, you two do your thing on that one


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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:59 am

Bertz wrote:Signing Starlin Castro is the type of move a team like the Cubs should do.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:08 am

If free-agent outfielder Yasiel Puig ends up scoring a multiyear contract, which is far from a sure thing, it’s “unlikely” the Tigers will be the team that gives it to him, Evan Woodbery of MLive.com writes. That said, credible outfield possibilities in free agency are decreasing, and the Tigers look to be in desperate need of help there. Their projected 2020 trio of JaCoby Jones, Christin Stewart and Harold Castro combined for minus-1.7 fWAR in 2019.


Almora for Joe Jimenez or Beau Burrows finally and Puig, please!
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby jersey cubs fan » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:35 am

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Bertz wrote:Signing Starlin Castro is the type of move a team like the Cubs should do.

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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Regular Show » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:44 am

I'm not too concerned about the bullpen except for at Closer. Kimbrel looked terrible at times and I told my brother exactly how he was going to blow some saves last year and on what pitch lol.

His fastball command is bad and its tailing/running action sometimes goes into the path of RHH's swing. I'm worried he might be ineffective again and that it wasn't just rust... I don't fault Theo for going out and signing him because our bullpen needed a good shutdown reliever and we didn't lose a draft pick in the process.

I'm totally okay with trading Kimbrel for some prospects at the trading deadline if this Cubs team looks like a middling fringe contender again and Kimbrel is pitching well and we get a good return. The Cubs need to win some trades to improve the farm system like TB. Not to that degree, but we can't keep giving away Montgomery and players like that when their value is practically gone.
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Postby Post Count Padder » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:33 pm

Interesting. You could also say the're set if they want to be, with Castro, Asdrubal and Kieboom taking turns at second and third. It lessens the pressure but also guards them if they trade Kieboom.
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Postby Post Count Padder » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:48 pm

An old friend:

The Angels signed former Cubs’ prospect Arismendy Alcántara. Alcántara hasn’t played at the highest level since 2017, and his career .189/.235/.315 line (49 wRC+) reflects the plate discipline woes that have done him in. He’s still just 28 years old, though, and his 2019 return to affiliated ball following a year in the Mexican League went well. The utilityman was productive across two minor-league levels in the Mets’ organization last season and showed better discipline than he has in his MLB career.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Bertz » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:57 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:Interesting. You could also say the're set if they want to be, with Castro, Asdrubal and Kieboom taking turns at second and third. It lessens the pressure but also guards them if they trade Kieboom.


Yeah, Castro and Cabrera splitting 2B and providing coverage depth for a Kieboom-Turner left side of the infield makes total sense, so I don't think these moves say much either way about their KB intentions.

I do imagine this implies they're out on Donaldson though. If they were signing JD I'd imagine they would have only brought in Cabrera (with Kieboom the starter at 2B), not both.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Bull » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:25 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:An old friend:

The Angels signed former Cubs’ prospect Arismendy Alcántara. Alcántara hasn’t played at the highest level since 2017, and his career .189/.235/.315 line (49 wRC+) reflects the plate discipline woes that have done him in. He’s still just 28 years old, though, and his 2019 return to affiliated ball following a year in the Mexican League went well. The utilityman was productive across two minor-league levels in the Mets’ organization last season and showed better discipline than he has in his MLB career.

I think this is because I beetlejuiced him a few weeks ago. Beware the return of Antonio Alfonseca.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:29 pm

Boy Asdrubal at $2.5 million certainty would’ve been a nice addition over the horsefeathers back end of the 26-man (Descalso, Kemp) or been a decent add to allow to start Nico in AAA. Also if all he got was $2.5 mil I can’t see Holt getting more than say $4 million or so. Figure it out, idiots.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

Postby NOLA » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:26 pm

FWIW, Will Harris (an LSU alum) was on local sports radio yesterday and said he had told his agent he preferred signing with the Cubs or Nats, but that the Cubs wouldn’t make him an offer.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:29 pm

NOLA wrote:FWIW, Will Harris (an LSU alum) was on local sports radio yesterday and said he had told his agent he preferred signing with the Cubs or Nats, but that the Cubs wouldn’t make him an offer.

I’m glad we avoided him at what he went for. He faded badly last year and is 35/36. I know he’s been remarkably consistent, but he’s gone 60+ innings 4 of the last 5 years (including playoff IP) and hit 70+ in a few of them. Seems like a trap we’ve fallen in to with with RP the last few years then get stuck with them when they suck (Brach, Carl, Kintzler and Wislon, granted they gave us a good year too, etc).
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Rumors/General Chit-Chat

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Sounds like Donaldson is getting closer to signing and IMO it looks like it'll be the Braves.
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