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Cubs sign Winkler

Postby UMFan83 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:17 pm

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Re: Cubs sign Winkler

Postby Brian » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:20 pm

guy isn't even the most famous Daniel Winkler, according to google (top 5 results) that would be a knife maker.
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Postby Bertz » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:28 pm

Looks like he's got options, so he'll be part of the Iowa shuttle crew
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I was promised a manic desire to start the offseason with trades.


Me too but when Daniel Winkler is available priorities change.
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Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:21 pm

Whatever, he's decent depth. He was pretty solid 2017-18.
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Re: Cubs sign Winkler

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:38 pm

I had never heard of Winkler before today.

- Was doing very well in a difficult AA league for the Rockies, then had TJS
- after rehab was excellent in a 2017 Sept callup and in all of 2018 for Atlanta
- had a rough 2019 spring(elbow trouble and performance) that led to him missing the opening day roster, when he did make it back he gave up a bunch of homers
- got shipped off in the Melancon deal and was weirdly effective(no runs allowed but no Ks) in 15 IP for the Giants AAA team

He lost some velo from 2018 to 2019 so that combined with the fall off in performance is concerning, but he also didn't get the chance to pitch in MLB in the hottest months so an apples to apples comparison of velocity might not be as stark.
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Re: Cubs sign Winkler

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:47 pm

This is also probably a good spot for some napkin-math research I did at the start of the offseason on relief pitcher consistency.

2018
- 48 RP had 1+ fWAR
- 20 of the 48 had 1.5+ fWAR
- 10 of those 20 were 1+ in 2019
- 6 of the 28 between 1-1.5 were 1+ in 2019

Basically, even the best relievers in 2018 were a coinflip to be even good in 2019, and those that were good were 20-25% odds of being good again. So where do those good 2018 relievers come from in the first place?

In 2017, The 20 that were 1.5+ fWAR in 2018:

sub-0 fWAR: 2
0-.5: 7
.5-1: 3
1-1.5: 5
1.5-2: 1
2+: 2

About a coinflip whether they were even mediocre the year before!

The 28 that were between 1-1.5 fWAR in 2018:

sub-20 MLB IP: 8
0-.5: 7
.5-1: 7
1-1.5: 1
1.5-2: 3
2+: 2

About a third weren't even pitching in MLB in a material way, and another half were varying degrees of mediocre to okay.

Hopefully this makes some sense in how it's presented, but the tl;dr is that relievers are super random and often don't have indication they're about to be good. Hopefully Winkler is one that pops up and gives good productivity.
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Postby Derwood » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:10 pm

He's also terrific in Barry
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Postby champaignchris » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:39 pm

Went to Parkland College. A Champaign kid!!!
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Postby sneakypower » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:58 pm

they found Captain Winky
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:04 am

Seems like a prime lab candidate with the spin rates. I watched some of his baseball savant videos.... His slider/cutter has some decent movement to it and looks like he goes low 80s to high 80s between them (on top of tweaking things with his spin like the article talks seems like working on tunneling the two would be something to look at). Also looks like he can generate some decent arm side run on his FB.

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Postby abohnhoff » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:07 am

champaignchris wrote:Went to Parkland College. A Champaign kid!!!


Born and raised in Effingham, IL
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Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:22 am

Fuckingham sounds like an interesting place.
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Postby UK » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:26 am

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:Fuckingham sounds like an interesting place.


You'd be sadly mistaken.
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Postby The_Achiever » Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:34 am

Effingham is rough but it does have a big ass cross on the highway to remind you you're horsefeathers.
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Postby champaignchris » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:05 pm

The_Achiever wrote:Effingham is rough but it does have a big ass cross on the highway to remind you you're horsefeathers.


Effingham also has a fantastic record store called America’s Groove.

It’s in the middle of an otherwise abandoned shopping mall. It’s surreal it’s like you’re in the middle of a post-apocalyptic zombie movie and then suddenly transported to a John Cusack movie.
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Postby CubinNY » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:19 pm

The thread title is weak.
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Re: Cubs sign Winkler

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:40 am

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:Fuckingham sounds like an interesting place.


I lived there for a couple of years and I can promise you it is absolutely not.
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Re: Cubs sign Winkler

Postby weis21 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:45 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Ding Dong Johnson wrote:Fuckingham sounds like an interesting place.


I lived there for a couple of years and I can promise you it is absolutely not.

did da bum take you house there and make you move?
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Re: Cubs sign Winkler

Postby Regular Show » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:03 pm

The_Achiever wrote:Effingham is rough but it does have a big ass cross on the highway to remind you you're horsefeathers.


Yeah, I drive past it every time I go back home. The big ass cross next to I-57 is so horsefeathering obnoxious...

Think about the uproar if someone built a giant minaret with a crescent at the top right next to a major highway:
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