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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:04 pm

Bertz wrote:I also *really* want Trevor Rogers. Have Hottovy teach him the spike curve he's been teaching everyone and he's gonna absolutely shove.


Agreed on Rogers, underrated as a prospect in general and definitely the pitcher I'd want from the Marlins
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Tryptamine » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:17 pm

Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status/1349044819545485316?s=19

We've seen more and more teams add guys "a year early," so this wouldn't be that crazy.

I also *really* want Trevor Rogers. Have Hottovy teach him the spike curve he's been teaching everyone and he's gonna absolutely shove.


Braxton Garrett+ Edward Cabrera would be pretty much best case scenario for me. I don't think Max Meyer would be on the table.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Bertz » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:10 pm

Tryptamine wrote:
Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/CraigMish/status/1349044819545485316?s=19

We've seen more and more teams add guys "a year early," so this wouldn't be that crazy.

I also *really* want Trevor Rogers. Have Hottovy teach him the spike curve he's been teaching everyone and he's gonna absolutely shove.


Braxton Garrett+ Edward Cabrera would be pretty much best case scenario for me. I don't think Max Meyer would be on the table.


Playing around with the baseball trade simulator, some ideas of what we could expect:

Garrett + Cabrera plus some filler
Trevor Rogers + Jesus Sanchez plus some filler
Max Meyer or JJ Bleday pretty much straight up
Monte Harrison + Lewin Diaz + Jon Berti

And these are all based on current projections. It's not entirely unreasonable to bump Willson up ~5 runs a year for defense. I think qualitatively people generally think his framing is "fixed." If you're pricing him as if he's not a negative on defense, stuff like Meyer + Harrison or Bleday + Rogers probably isn't unreasonable.

Also, anecdotally, new GMs are typically more apt to view their prospects as the market does rather than through rose colored glasses, so working with Kim Ng *should* be easier. I'm really talking myself into the Marlins as a trade partner.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:43 pm

I'd probably want Rogers LHSP, Lewin Diaz 1B, Lewis Brinson OF, Jose Devers SS
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Bertz » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:20 am



They were connected to Bryant over the summer...
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:24 am

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/ ... urley.html

Speaking of a lefty who might benefit from some Hottovy, Turley's not not interesting enough...Lefty averaged 94 topped out at 97 with alot of whiffs and popups on the four seam...longtime MiL SP only recently converted to relief full time, only allowed one HR and 13 Hs in his 21.1 IP with the Pirates last year (20 Ks)
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:14 am

He’s probably toast but worth doing the due diligence

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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Named After Maddux » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:41 am

Cubswin11 wrote:https://twitter.com/jeremytache/status/1349069416483401728?s=21


Willson loves to stoke the fires. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him moved though. Those Jason Castro rumors probably were legitimate. At this point I think Jed is cashing in the chips he wanted to in previous seasons.

The Blue Jays, Angels, Marlins, and Mets are all somewhat interesting trade partners.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:09 am

The Cubs could probably do really well trading Miguel Amaya, even think there's more optimistic outcomes doing that that trading Contreras especially to NL teams.* For me the Cubs haven't really cemented themselves firmly as sellers, more non-binary like the Rays since we're still talking moving 3 years on a 35 YO pitcher with some elbow stuff recent enough with the leap from 60 to much more in mind. Teams I think would be interested and make for interesting fits...:

Pirates: With Musgrove and Frazier on their ML roster likely available, maybe Reynolds the OF, they're not not a potential trade partner and have had great success with guys like Amaya in Russell Martin and Francisco Cervelli

Rays: Margot is arb eligible, Lowe has a multi-year contract above the league min. I wouldn't trade for any pitchers in that org with Snell out, both McKay and Bitsko having shoulder surgery

Seattle: Similar to the Rays in that there's some org talent (Torrens, Raleigh) at catcher, but they're flawed. In this case bat first catchers who may or may not hit. Amaya is a glove first guy who may or may not hit, kinda balances them out and even plays into their skillsets as teams shift towards 2 high use or 3 complimentary catcher setups. Cubs did it first with Ross/Montero/Contreras! Mariners are loaded with OFs and inexperienced but otherwise healthy and well regarded pitching (Justin Dunn, Margevicius, Newsome, Sheffield)

Royals: Perez is a FA soon and Amaya's offensive approach is inline with what Moore said the Royals were shopping for. The Royals have some outstanding SP talent in the org and they actually let them pitch: Lacy is the best college SP prospect in a while, Singer was probably the top guy in his year and already a ML SP, Bubic's a pretty sure starter so I don't think any of those guys but guys like Staumont, Bolanos, and/or Daniel Lynch

Phillies: Similar to the Pirates in that they've had alot of success developing catchers and likely aren't paying top dollar for their next guy, have an obvious platoon partner (Marchan) with complimentary skills like the Mariners...have pitching (Velaquez? Suarez? Romero?) + some close LHH MIF depth (Stott, Maton) and CF depth (Hasley, Moniak)

Rockies: Just drafted a switch hitting HS C in the first but otherwise not a whole lot of competition in this org for Amaya. As an aside they're also my favorite NL fit for Contreras with Rolison and Toglia/Lavigne+ should the Cubs actually go that route

Angels: They're loaded in the OF and lack a prospect at C, they and Seattle might be teams that offer the rare prospect for prospect trade (Adams or Trammell) even if there's other stuff going on

Red Sox: Amaya's not so dissimular current starter Vazquez who entered their org as a glove first guy, granted Vazquez as maybe considered the best defensive catching prospect. There's interesting players (Eduardo Rodriguez, Matt Barnes, Benintendi) but both orgs are being probably responsibly quiet

Miami: Speaking of Trevor Rogers

*I know, I know money yada yada but outside of that temporarily
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Bertz » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:53 pm



I really hope we end up with one of him, Paxton, or Richards.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Derwood » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:53 pm

Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1350112551053512705?s=19


This would be exciting news 5 years ago
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Bertz » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:02 pm

I'm gonna guess it's not great news that we're 3 hours past the arb deadline and have not heard anything about any Cubs players
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:47 pm

That's promising, right? MLBTR's high was $11.9
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:57 pm

Angels signed Kurt Suzuki. I know he's not really a full time starter anymore but that seems to pour cold water on the Contreras to Angels trade rumors. Maybe Marlins now or Phillies if they don't bring back Realmuto. I'd be fine keeping him too.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Bertz » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:31 am

Guessing that's why they finalized Lemahieu's deal. Bet Kluber brings the Yankees pretty close to but still under the luxury tax.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Bear Cub » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:34 am

Sure is exciting to watch other teams sign players while the Cubs do NOTHING!
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby Bertz » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:46 pm

So it seems like this is how the rest of the offseason is destined to play out?

- Realmuto back to the Phillies
- Springer to the Mets or Jays
- JBJ to whoever loses out on Springer
- Bauer to the Angels
- Astros, Twins, Nats, Giants, Red Sox, and Braves each add one of the mid level bats (Semien, Brantley, Ozuna, etc.)
- A bunch of 2nd tier/bounce back type bats and SPs sign one year deals hoping to cash in next winter

For the Cubs specifically, I expect KB or Willson to go but probably not both. I think they probably add one of those mid-level bats, as well as a SP you don't have to squint too hard to feel good about. Let's say Didi Gregorius and Garret Richards just for an example. And then from there, 3-4 additions in the Kipnis/Jeffress mold. It won't be a good team, but might be enough for this division.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:46 am

Chatwood to the Blue Jays
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Re: 2020 Offseason Thread

Postby d_money » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:17 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:Chatwood to the Blue Jays

Word on the street is he has excellent spin rate.
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