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Re: Jake is Back

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:55 am

mias_tisg wrote:I'd rather see Alzolay, Tyson Miller, etc get starts over Arrieta. Guess why I'm pissed off here. I don't need to see a 2016 reunion, I'm tired of bringing back old players. The Cubs actually made a great decision when they let him walk.

With the shortened year last year there is an extreme need for innings. Jake, Hendricks, Davies, Williams and Mills probably shouldn’t be counted on for more than 145-165 innings. Alzolay is still likely in the rotation even after adding Jake. The Miller’s of the world will get their chances with injuries, pitch limits, etc. horsefeathers, Adbert has thrown ~110, ~40, ~80, ~20 innings the last 4 years. If he’s starting every 4-6 days he’s gonna hit an innings limit by July or so.
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Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:58 am

I agree with the posts of being irrationally happy and also good nostalgia during a season that we likely will need it.

From a pure contract standpoint, I'm actually surprised he got that much. It doesn't matter, of course. It's only one year. But I thought he'd have to accept more in the $3 million range from a team.
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Not saying it will happen, but the Cubs coming back from a 3-1 deficit to win the World Series does seem like the appropriate way to cap off this season and make the 30-for-30 even better.

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Postby beantowncubfan » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:02 am

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mias_tisg wrote:I'd rather see Alzolay, Tyson Miller, etc get starts over Arrieta. Guess why I'm pissed off here. I don't need to see a 2016 reunion, I'm tired of bringing back old players. The Cubs actually made a great decision when they let him walk.

With the shortened year last year there is an extreme need for innings. Jake, Hendricks, Davies, Williams and Mills probably shouldn’t be counted on for more than 145-165 innings. Alzolay is still likely in the rotation even after adding Jake. The Miller’s of the world will get their chances with injuries, pitch limits, etc. horsefeathers, Adbert has thrown ~110, ~40, ~80, ~20 innings the last 4 years. If he’s starting every 4-6 days he’s gonna hit an innings limit by July or so.

I wonder if the shortened season last year will help some of these veteran pitchers...



Meh, probably not.
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Postby Tim » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:03 am

Brian wrote:

I'm guessing he means to say "starting pitcher"
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Postby Brian » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:05 am

? That was the last playoff game the Cubs won.
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Postby UMFan83 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:06 am

Tim wrote:
Brian wrote:

I'm guessing he means to say "starting pitcher"


? Jake was the winning pitcher in Game 4 of the 2017 NLCS and the Cubs are 0-4 in playoff games since then
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Postby Bertz » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:12 am

So with all appropriate caveats about how much of a horsefeathsrs PTR is and how it shouldn't have been an either/or... you've gotta chalk it up to Jed here. He turned Darvish and Vic into

Davies
Joc
Jake
Romine
4 good prospects

Plus whatever You'd money can buy in '22/'23. In a season where pitcher attrition is going to be through the roof? Yu was my favorite player on the team by a good bit but it's really hard not to say this is better for the team's competitive outlook.
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Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:15 am

Bertz wrote:So with all appropriate caveats about how much of a horsefeathsrs PTR is and how it shouldn't have been an either/or... you've gotta chalk it up to Jed here. He turned Darvish and Vic into

Davies
Joc
Jake
Romine
4 good prospects

Plus whatever You'd money can buy in '22/'23. In a season where pitcher attrition is going to be through the roof? Yu was my favorite player on the team by a good bit but it's really hard not to say this is better for the team's competitive outlook.


.....until they still trade a couple stars in the next week.
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Postby 17 Seconds » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:17 am

selling good players and then giving 7 million to jake arrieta, funkin classic
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Postby Derwood » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:18 am

I have little to no expectations for the season, so Jake being better than “meh” would only be a bonus
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Postby Tim » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:21 am

Brian wrote:? That was the last playoff game the Cubs won.

I blame the beer for causing me to misread that
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Postby Andy » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:21 am

Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I agree with the posts of being irrationally happy and also good nostalgia during a season that we likely will need it.

From a pure contract standpoint, I'm actually surprised he got that much. It doesn't matter, of course. It's only one year. But I thought he'd have to accept more in the $3 million range from a team.

Take it FWIW, but one reporter (can't remember which) said that he actually had better offers and chose this one instead.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:11 am

Andy wrote:
Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I agree with the posts of being irrationally happy and also good nostalgia during a season that we likely will need it.

From a pure contract standpoint, I'm actually surprised he got that much. It doesn't matter, of course. It's only one year. But I thought he'd have to accept more in the $3 million range from a team.

Take it FWIW, but one reporter (can't remember which) said that he actually had better offers and chose this one instead.


Every free agent in history had turned down better offers to go to where he truly wanted to be.
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Postby chopsx9 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:40 am

Andy wrote:Give me 1 or 2 throwback nights at Wrigley where he's got it working like 2015-16 and I really won't care much what else happens from this.

Add in a dong somewhere along the line and I'm right there with you.
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jersey cubs fan wrote:
Andy wrote:
Bryant's Disco Ball wrote:I agree with the posts of being irrationally happy and also good nostalgia during a season that we likely will need it.

From a pure contract standpoint, I'm actually surprised he got that much. It doesn't matter, of course. It's only one year. But I thought he'd have to accept more in the $3 million range from a team.

Take it FWIW, but one reporter (can't remember which) said that he actually had better offers and chose this one instead.


Every free agent in history had turned down better offers to go to where he truly wanted to be.


the better offer was actually 5 million to play on a real team
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:17 am

I'm pro anyone who pushes prospects down the depth chart/s before ST, can be league average or better over a full season especially the first half. Even though it's going to happen, it's optimistic to think anyone in the minors has even 20-30 decent ML innings in them for 2021 right now outside of maybe Alzolay
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Postby MWV » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:18 am

Brian wrote:

Wait, what part of the Capitol was this taken in?
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Postby CubsWin » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:06 am

So the 40-man is full and the Cubs still need to add Marisnick and Arrieta. Who goes? Alcantara? Two pitchers? Or is there a trade coming?
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CubsWin wrote:So the 40-man is full and the Cubs still need to add Marisnick and Arrieta. Who goes? Alcantara? Two pitchers? Or is there a trade coming?

If I had to guess... Maples and Norwood seem to be the top two cut candidates. Maybe Ryan (with Chafin in and if Wieck is looking healthy plus Steele and other non 40-man guys he would make sense since there’s plenty of LHRP options) and also maybe Wieck if they feel he’s broken. Could also send Fenter back or trade some nothing prospect for him to clear the spot if they want to keep him. Then there’s also a trade of some guy(s) like KB/Willy/etc.
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Cubswin11 wrote:
CubsWin wrote:So the 40-man is full and the Cubs still need to add Marisnick and Arrieta. Who goes? Alcantara? Two pitchers? Or is there a trade coming?

If I had to guess... Maples and Norwood seem to be the top two cut candidates. Maybe Ryan (with Chafin in and if Wieck is looking healthy plus Steele and other non 40-man guys he would make sense since there’s plenty of LHRP options) and also maybe Wieck if they feel he’s broken. Could also send Fenter back or trade some nothing prospect for him to clear the spot if they want to keep him. Then there’s also a trade of some guy(s) like KB/Willy/etc.

Yeah, those are my thoughts as well, though I didn't think of Norwood.
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CubsWin wrote:
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CubsWin wrote:So the 40-man is full and the Cubs still need to add Marisnick and Arrieta. Who goes? Alcantara? Two pitchers? Or is there a trade coming?

If I had to guess... Maples and Norwood seem to be the top two cut candidates. Maybe Ryan (with Chafin in and if Wieck is looking healthy plus Steele and other non 40-man guys he would make sense since there’s plenty of LHRP options) and also maybe Wieck if they feel he’s broken. Could also send Fenter back or trade some nothing prospect for him to clear the spot if they want to keep him. Then there’s also a trade of some guy(s) like KB/Willy/etc.

Yeah, those are my thoughts as well, though I didn't think of Norwood.

I’d really lean Ryan if Wieck is healthy. With the 3 batter min he doesn’t have much value, plus if he’s cut now we save if not his entire salary like 80-90% of it. Granted it’s only $800,000 but it’s something.
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:04 am

"Nostalgia" as a concept has essentially been destroyed for me over the past few years. I just hope Jake performs well enough to net us an upside A ball arm at the deadline.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:55 am

https://www.cubsinsider.com/2021/02/12/ ... -for-cubs/

If this whole elevated sinker + workload management thing works out, mostly I end up meaning Marquez and Jensen, then the Brewers' FO should get a gift basket and Brandon Woodruff maybe a little somethin' extra. Alot of the confidence I have in the approach it seems the Cubs are taking to pitching is due to the Brewers' successes. Could taken this approach and signed Gerrit Cole too, horsefeathers
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Postby Post Count Padder » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:31 pm

I assume this does mean a six man rotation. Gonna need innings and the shortened season definitely effed with some guys. So yeah looking at Hendricks, Davies, Jake, Mills, Williams, Alzolay and when those guys need a rest Miller and Abbott come into play. Maybe Shelby Miller.
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