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Postby Derwood » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:04 pm

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:22 pm

That seems like an unwise choice
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Bertz » Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:46 pm

I feel like the over/under for him was $100M, so if you want a sign the market's healthy this is probably a solid one?
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:40 am

Just eyeballing the Roster Resource page, aside from Diaz, the Mets are shedding 80-85 million of LT payroll, of which Diaz now eats up 10 million(the difference in his 2022 salary and new LT value). Of that 80-85 million, they are losing their starting CF, 4 SP, and over 300 relief IP. Granted, that 85 million is unlikely to be a cap with their ownership, and they may set a record for QO picks in an offseason. But that is a lot to replace on the pitching side(and they don't have a wave of arms near MLB ready) and they were a pretty old team to begin with. There's some sneaky collapse risk if they don't nail the offseason, and there's at least a question of how much Cohen will be willing to push the envelope(and even then, for more 30+ pitchers?)
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:33 am

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Just eyeballing the Roster Resource page, aside from Diaz, the Mets are shedding 80-85 million of LT payroll, of which Diaz now eats up 10 million(the difference in his 2022 salary and new LT value). Of that 80-85 million, they are losing their starting CF, 4 SP, and over 300 relief IP. Granted, that 85 million is unlikely to be a cap with their ownership, and they may set a record for QO picks in an offseason. But that is a lot to replace on the pitching side(and they don't have a wave of arms near MLB ready) and they were a pretty old team to begin with. There's some sneaky collapse risk if they don't nail the offseason, and there's at least a question of how much Cohen will be willing to push the envelope(and even then, for more 30+ pitchers?)


Agreed...Marcos Gonzales seems like a great trade fit for them, cheap and durable LH with a different look from a deep group of hard throwing RHs. Going after him and one of the LHH CF capable OFers in the Mariners org (Trammel comes to mind, IIRC Fraley and Bishop can play CF) and kind of building out from there...They're kind of the sleeping giant for Senga if DeGrom is out...shouldn't really have a ton of issues filling out after that: Kluber, Eovaldi, Manaea, Quintana, even Dylan Bundy all kinda fit...not a bad spot for Matt Boyd to land either...Could go the other way and pile up relievers in front of Diaz... :dontknow:

I'm definitely interested in how they do CF because their need is almost the same as Cubs: LHH glove first CF ideally with some HR power (maybe not such an emphasis on flyball tendencies)
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby CubinNY » Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:12 pm

Let's get this horsefeathers started!
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby UMFan83 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:19 pm

Riz back to the Yankees

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby CubinNY » Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:20 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Riz back to the Yankees


He's going to be their manager one day.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby JeffH » Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:51 pm

$40 guaranteed over two years for Rizzo. That's a data point for Abreu.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Post Count Padder » Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:30 pm

Rays traded Xavier Edwards. Has his stock fallen or is this a case of him being blocked by other guys?
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:11 am

Post Count Padder wrote:Rays traded Xavier Edwards. Has his stock fallen or is this a case of him being blocked by other guys?


Mix of both but he is blocked by *alot* of players (Franco, Lowe, Paredes, Walls, Brujan, Aranda)...Brujan still has options prbly, recent first round pick Alika Williams will be the AAA SS prby...They're very deep

I had no idea who Aranda even is before this post and dude's got nearly 1800 pro PAs with a .298/.377/.452 line as a LHH who doesn't strike out so much and has experience at all the infield spots. He's gone off at AAA the past couple years too, gfh
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:28 am

JeffH wrote:$40 guaranteed over two years for Rizzo. That's a data point for Abreu.


Contract crowdsourcing had Rizzo getting 3/54 and Abreu getting 2/32. Feels like that 2/32 should still be possible, especially if Abreu does have a fondness for staying in Chicago.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:44 am

Nolan Jones is a pretty good pickup for the Rockies…Cleveland being Cleveland gets a switch hitting MIFer, Juan Brito. Brito also had a .407 OBP last year, more walks than Ks, prob plays defense…but I like the Rockies on this one

Cleveland also designated Anthony Gose, very athletic (former Top 50 prospect as a CF) LH who lives in the upper 90s, positive Value slider, and a 30% CSW to work with…Would love him for Cubs especially on a MiLB or split contract EDIT: Not how a DFA works, maybe he hits FA somehow
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Tryptamine » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:19 pm

Mariner's get 1 year of Teoscar Hernandez from the Blue Jays for 3 years of reliever Erik Swanson, who is coming off a lights out year, and SP prospect Adam Macko who was #8 in a bad Seattle farm. If last year is who Swanson is, I rather like this deal for Toronto.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:22 am

Some other things I'm taking out of that trade:

- Swanson's offspeed of choice is a splitter, a pitch that might be making a comeback? Makes sense with the more north/south power oriented game, it seems to be a very popular pitch in the NPB during the 2010s and into the 2020s (Tanaka, Senga, Ohtani, Fujinami, Sasaki, Sugano, Norimoto, Yamamoto, Ono, etc)...Ohtani's the big fish in the MLB, Sasaki overseas

- This seems useful for the Future Cubs when they're churning out three pitch relievers and/or positionless bats. Brandon Hughes next offseason may not be the worst candidate, hell this offseason depending. One thing both players have in common besides years of control into their haggardly early 30s is non-premium velocity

- Another reliever moving among first division clubs with lots of MiLB innings and starts under his belt...Logged 300+ innings from '16-'18 btw A-AAA mostly with the Yankees
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby CubinNY » Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:22 pm

When does the show start? After Christmas?
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:28 pm

CubinNY wrote:When does the show start? After Christmas?


I'd expect there to be a handful of moves over the next 2 weeks, then a flurry of moves the week of the winter meetings(starting 2 weeks from Sunday) and into the week after, then a dead period at Christmas, and finally a steady stream from January til ST. Tomorrow is the non-tender deadline which should be the last big roster domino that needs to fall before teams start getting particularly aggressive about moves.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Bertz » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:17 pm

I'm hoping we get to a better pace than we've seen the last 4-5 years. Moving all of the administrative deadlines up by a week or two definitely helps, though it's still very silly that the arb stuff all happens in January. It should be in November ahead of the arb deadline.

Plus in that '18-'20 period you had about half the league either tanking or very worried about the luxury tax. Currently from eyeballing I think we might be closer to half as many teams? More active teams should lead to a less deliberate pace.

The days of 90% of the off-season being done by New Years are probably over, but I'm hoping we can at least get comfortably north of 50% again?
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby Bertz » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:14 pm



Suter was a total Cub killer so good to see. Though most of his damage was against the old core, I think the newer players have actually hit him around a bit.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:08 pm



Ooooh noooooo, pls don’t

One issue is they have only a little under $4 million before hitting the soft cap or whatever, have already gone over twice
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:35 pm

This Drew Rucinski guy seems like an interesting FA out of the KBO…GB machine coming off the strongest of 4 seasons, was actually in the Cubs org for 2016 (one of several former Cubs to join and thrive in the KBO):

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason Thread (non-Cubs)

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:28 pm

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/ ... dames.html

Corbin Burnes, Willy Adames, and Brandon Woodruff have all emerged as popular trade targets due to Aging into the late 20s and being arb eligible
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