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 Post subject: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:56 pm 
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Royals Acquire Ervin Santana http://bit.ly/Y26iyd #mlb


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Well, if Santana is tradable, Haren's getting dealt for sure.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Sources: #Angels receive Brandon Sisk in Ervin Santana trade.
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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Angels are paying some money in the deal. No clue why they didn't just release him, since Sisk is basically a nothing return.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Angels are paying some money in the deal. No clue why they didn't just release him, since Sisk is basically a nothing return.


Was there a buyout amount?


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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davell wrote:
Angels are paying some money in the deal. No clue why they didn't just release him, since Sisk is basically a nothing return.


Was there a buyout amount?


Cot's lists a $1 million buyout.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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According to a few on Twitter, Angels likely just kicking in buyout money of a mill. So, the Royals, who came out recently saying they have 20 mill to spend on pitching thisvoffseason, just spent 13 on Santana and probably 3 on Volstad. Before FA can even sign with other teams. Phenomenal.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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According to industry source, #Angels are sending $1 million to #Royals as part of Ervin Santana trade.

soooo.... the buyout amount


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Fangraphs lists Santana as literally the worst starting pitcher in baseball last year. Although some guys had a worse rate but didn't get as many starts.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Ervin Santana bWAR over past 5 seasons:
4.8
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Yeah he had a terrible 2012, but his track record isn't nearly that bad.

Plus, the $13m salary for 2013 may look much more palatable after this winter. Every team has cash to burn.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Ervin Santana bWAR over past 5 seasons:
4.8
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2.7
-1.6

Yeah he had a terrible 2012, but his track record isn't nearly that bad.

Plus, the $13m salary for 2013 may look much more palatable after this winter. Every team has cash to burn.


fWAR >>>>>> bWAR


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Under either WAR calculation, he should be trolling for an NRI this offseason and not getting a guaranteed $12 million extra from the Royals.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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This is funny. I can't believe a team was actually willing to do this.

But this is excellent news for the Cubs. I was thinking of Shaun Marcum specifically, a potential Cubs target who is from KC, could pick the Royals over a few teams if the offer is close. That seems unlikely now with the payments to Santana and Volstad.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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David wrote:
AlwaysaCub wrote:
Ervin Santana bWAR over past 5 seasons:
4.8
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2.5
2.7
-1.6

Yeah he had a terrible 2012, but his track record isn't nearly that bad.

Plus, the $13m salary for 2013 may look much more palatable after this winter. Every team has cash to burn.


fWAR >>>>>> bWAR


Okay, his fWAR for past 5 seasons:
5.8
1.0
2.2
2.9
-0.9

Why should this guy be an NRI after 1 bad season? Some team was going to sign him for $7m+ if his option wasn't picked up. The Royals probably expect substantial inflation in salaries this offseason. Plus where else are the Royals going to get pitching? Everyone needs it.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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As I said yesterday Dayton Moore said the Royals are trying to get "2 or 3 starting pitchers." The owner said at the end of the year that he was willing to operate at a loss to go out and get pitching. They will sign one free agent, point to Duffy returning, and point to Volstad and Santana and say that the players underperformed. Sorry, fans. We don't have a crystal ball.

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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.

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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.


Why? We could do much better things with $13M.


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I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.


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 Post subject: Re: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Slide Castro Slide wrote:
I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.


Are you making an unrelated point or do you have the direction of the payment reversed?


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Yeah, I thought I read that KC was only sending the Angels $1MM. Didn't realize that Santana's option was that much either. $12MM is a lot for Ervin Santana when you're the Kansas City Royals. I'd still take the one year $15MM risk on Haren though.

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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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Why should this guy be an NRI after 1 bad season?


Because it was a really bad season and most recent performance is still a pretty good indicator of near-future performance.


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 Post subject: Re: Royals Trade for Ervin Santana
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I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.


Why? We could do much better things with $13M.


Agreed. But I don't want to hate on the idea too hard because it'd be better than ending the offseason with our two new SPs being like Carlos Villanueva and someone else like that.


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