Royals Trade for Ervin Santana

David · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:56 pm

MLB Trade Rumors ‏@mlbtraderumors
Royals Acquire Ervin Santana http://bit.ly/Y26iyd #mlb

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KyleJRM · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:59 pm

lol @ Royals.

Cubswin11 · **Joined:** Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:17 pm **Posts:** 5528

Johnathan Sanchez 2.0

davell · **Joined:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:55 pm **Posts:** 9199

Well, if Santana is tradable, Haren's getting dealt for sure.

David · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:14 pm

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi
Sources: #Angels receive Brandon Sisk in Ervin Santana trade.
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davell · **Joined:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:55 pm **Posts:** 9199

Angels are paying some money in the deal. No clue why they didn't just release him, since Sisk is basically a nothing return.

David · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:21 pm

davell wrote:

Angels are paying some money in the deal. No clue why they didn't just release him, since Sisk is basically a nothing return.

Was there a buyout amount?

KyleJRM · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:25 pm

David wrote:

davell wrote:

Angels are paying some money in the deal. No clue why they didn't just release him, since Sisk is basically a nothing return.

Was there a buyout amount?

Cot's lists a $1 million buyout.

davell · **Joined:** Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:55 pm **Posts:** 9199

According to a few on Twitter, Angels likely just kicking in buyout money of a mill. So, the Royals, who came out recently saying they have 20 mill to spend on pitching thisvoffseason, just spent 13 on Santana and probably 3 on Volstad. Before FA can even sign with other teams. Phenomenal.

David · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:01 pm

Mike DiGiovanna ‏@MikeDiGiovanna
According to industry source, #Angels are sending $1 million to #Royals as part of Ervin Santana trade.

soooo.... the buyout amount

KyleJRM · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:03 pm

Fangraphs lists Santana as literally the worst starting pitcher in baseball last year. Although some guys had a worse rate but didn't get as many starts.

AlwaysaCub · **Joined:** Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:24 pm **Posts:** 1079

Ervin Santana bWAR over past 5 seasons:
4.8
-0.3
2.5
2.7
-1.6

Yeah he had a terrible 2012, but his track record isn't nearly that bad.

Plus, the $13m salary for 2013 may look much more palatable after this winter. Every team has cash to burn.

David · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:24 pm

AlwaysaCub wrote:

Ervin Santana bWAR over past 5 seasons:
4.8
-0.3
2.5
2.7
-1.6

Yeah he had a terrible 2012, but his track record isn't nearly that bad.

Plus, the $13m salary for 2013 may look much more palatable after this winter. Every team has cash to burn.

fWAR >>>>>> bWAR

KyleJRM · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:36 pm

Under either WAR calculation, he should be trolling for an NRI this offseason and not getting a guaranteed $12 million extra from the Royals.

Gilby · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:13 pm **Posts:** 272

This is funny. I can't believe a team was actually willing to do this.

But this is excellent news for the Cubs. I was thinking of Shaun Marcum specifically, a potential Cubs target who is from KC, could pick the Royals over a few teams if the offer is close. That seems unlikely now with the payments to Santana and Volstad.

AlwaysaCub · **Joined:** Sat Jul 03, 2004 9:24 pm **Posts:** 1079

David wrote:

AlwaysaCub wrote:

Ervin Santana bWAR over past 5 seasons:
4.8
-0.3
2.5
2.7
-1.6

Yeah he had a terrible 2012, but his track record isn't nearly that bad.

Plus, the $13m salary for 2013 may look much more palatable after this winter. Every team has cash to burn.

fWAR >>>>>> bWAR

Okay, his fWAR for past 5 seasons:
5.8
1.0
2.2
2.9
-0.9

Why should this guy be an NRI after 1 bad season? Some team was going to sign him for $7m+ if his option wasn't picked up. The Royals probably expect substantial inflation in salaries this offseason. Plus where else are the Royals going to get pitching? Everyone needs it.

Sammy's Boombox · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:11 pm

As I said yesterday Dayton Moore said the Royals are trying to get "2 or 3 starting pitchers." The owner said at the end of the year that he was willing to operate at a loss to go out and get pitching. They will sign one free agent, point to Duffy returning, and point to Volstad and Santana and say that the players underperformed. Sorry, fans. We don't have a crystal ball.

Slide Castro Slide · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:23 pm

I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.

David · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:33 pm

Slide Castro Slide wrote:

I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.

Why? We could do much better things with $13M.

Castro's Spray Chart · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:59 pm

Slide Castro Slide wrote:

I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.

True.

Mariner's Revenge · **Joined:** Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:04 am **Posts:** 14328

Slide Castro Slide wrote:

I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.

Are you making an unrelated point or do you have the direction of the payment reversed?

Slide Castro Slide · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:09 pm

Yeah, I thought I read that KC was only sending the Angels $1MM. Didn't realize that Santana's option was that much either. $12MM is a lot for Ervin Santana when you're the Kansas City Royals. I'd still take the one year $15MM risk on Haren though.

KyleJRM · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:54 pm

AlwaysaCub wrote:

Why should this guy be an NRI after 1 bad season?

Because it was a really bad season and most recent performance is still a pretty good indicator of near-future performance.

KyleJRM · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:56 pm

David wrote:

Slide Castro Slide wrote:

I don't know about anything else, but I'd have happily sent the Angels $1MM+one of our junk relief prospect for Santana.

Why? We could do much better things with $13M.

Agreed. But I don't want to hate on the idea too hard because it'd be better than ending the offseason with our two new SPs being like Carlos Villanueva and someone else like that.

Nuts&Gum · **Posted:** Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:00 pm

I guess eating a really expensive Kobe Beef burger that's gone bad is technically better than eating the the chewed up Whopper you found in the trashcan.

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