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 Post subject: The Marmol/Haren Trade That Wasn't
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:39 am 
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per Jon Heyman.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-h ... approaches

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:57 am 
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As long as we aren't giving up much, this could be a pretty solid pick up.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Well, this is the perfect pickup for what we are doing so long as it doesn't cost any real prospects.

He is on a one-year contract. We need starting pitchers. If he does well, he is traded at the deadline. If he doesn't, he's gone after the season. We also don't have to convince him to only sign a one-year contract like we would some free agent pitcher.

I'd almost be surprised if this didn't happen, unless multiple teams have strong interest and start to actually offer up some sort of package.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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I'll be a little surprised if it doesn't take a real prospect or two honestly. Haren had been worth 36 WAR over the 7 previous seasons, prior to him getting hurt last year. Just getting him on a one year deal has value within itself. Whether its us or whoever, I'll put the over/under on value going back to the Angels as Vittersish.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Well, this is the perfect pickup for what we are doing so long as it doesn't cost any real prospects.

He is on a one-year contract. We need starting pitchers. If he does well, he is traded at the deadline. If he doesn't, he's gone after the season. We also don't have to convince him to only sign a one-year contract like we would some free agent pitcher.

I'd almost be surprised if this didn't happen, unless multiple teams have strong interest and start to actually offer up some sort of package.


Its the perfect pickup even if it does cost a decent prospect (someone in the Vitters/Watkins/McNutt vein?).

Worst case (assuming his back is OK and his performance after his return indicates that) is he doesn't bounce back and you make in a QO next year and get him back on another pillow contract/get draft pick compensation if he signs elsewhere. Best case is he is the top targeted SP at the trade deadline.

Trading for Haren is basically going to guarantee that at the very least, you get to add at least a first round-ish prospect down the line. Don't really think of what Haren will do for the Cubs on the field next year (because we aren't going to contend), think about what Haren will net the Cubs when he leaves. And that will be more than just a decent prospect.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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He's a pitcher. The worst case is always that he blows out his arm or elbow and you get nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Wouldn't be against it though he's past 30 and wasn't that good last year


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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I think the worst case is that he gets a communicable disease and infects the entire team in Spring Training before falling into an irreversible coma.


I might be wrong, but we can't get compensation for Haren since he didn't finish last year with the team, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Nope. We would be able to get a pick for him if he sticks with us all year and we make a qualifying offer next offseason.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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I think the worst case is that he gets a communicable disease and infects the entire team in Spring Training before falling into an irreversible coma.


If we continue our trend of leaving half our best players in Iowa, that might actually be a good thing?


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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I think the worst case is that he gets a communicable disease and infects the entire team in Spring Training before falling into an irreversible coma.


I might be wrong, but we can't get compensation for Haren since he didn't finish last year with the team, right?

You man if he sticks on our roster all season in 2013? I would definitely think so. Not sure thats what you're asking though. If you're asking if we trade for him, decline the option, offer him arb, and he declines, then no, we get nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
I think the worst case is that he gets a communicable disease and infects the entire team in Spring Training before falling into an irreversible coma.


If we continue our trend of leaving half our best players in Iowa, that might actually be a good thing?

In spring training


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Oh, it's only in season deals that are ineligible. Not sure why I thought otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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KyleJRM wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
I think the worst case is that he gets a communicable disease and infects the entire team in Spring Training before falling into an irreversible coma.


If we continue our trend of leaving half our best players in Iowa, that might actually be a good thing?

In spring training


Dang, never mind. That is a worst-case scenario, then.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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KyleJRM wrote:
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KyleJRM wrote:
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I think the worst case is that he gets a communicable disease and infects the entire team in Spring Training before falling into an irreversible coma.


If we continue our trend of leaving half our best players in Iowa, that might actually be a good thing?

In spring training


Dang, never mind. That is a worst-case scenario, then.


Isn't half of our "core" in A ball?

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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As was mentioned on PSD, I'd love to get a package of Haren and Bourjos.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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As was mentioned on PSD, I'd love to get a package of Haren and Bourjos.

Marmol, Vitters, and Alcantara?


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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I like the idea of Haren more the more I think/read about it. Fangraphs made a good case for him, and someone over at BN pointed out that he adds about half a win per year with his bat when he's in the NL.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Beyond the Box Score did a really nice write up on Haren and his history vs. his poor 2012 today...

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/1 ... bermetrics

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Apparently we just traded Carlos Marmol in a deal for Dan Haren? I'm seeing reports on Twitter.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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#Cubs RHP Carlos Marmol has confirmed that he's been traded to the #Angels, according to @YancenPujols. Could be part of a Dan Haren trade.


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RT @MikeDiGiovanna: #Angels are on the verge of trading RHP Dan Haren to the #Cubs for RH reliever Carlos Marmol.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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Weird source, but Brett picked it up as well...

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/11/0 ... dan-haren/

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According to Yancen Pujols of the Caribbean, a Dominican media outlet, Carlos Marmol says he’s been traded to the Angels. Given the timing, if it’s true, it seems like Dan Haren will be involved.

Obviously I’ll have many updates as soon as possible.


Could just be smoke, but would be awesome if true, if that's all it took (+ money, I'd assume)

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I wonder if money will change hands. I tentatively like this though.


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 Post subject: Re: Cubs talking to Angels about Haren
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UPDATE 3 (6:47pm CT): Gordon Wittenmyer says a Cubs source has confirmed that Marmol has been traded to the Angels for Haren.

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